Homeowner fights off knife-wielding burglars, gets 30 months; burglar spared jail

Freefaller said:
Whilst I can understand the anger seething through the veins of Munir Hussain (his family had been tied up and threatened) - he did go over the top. The **** no doubt deserved a good kicking, but whether or not he should have actually received such injuries and such a blood-fuelled hunt is hard to call.

I'll be the first to admit that I see red if anyone threatens my family (far too quickly and I'm not proud of it at all :() and I honestly cannot say how I'd react to such a situation. I don't know the full situation, and what is being reported seems to want to make us believe that it was a "lust for retribution/blood". I can't be sure of that.

I'm in 2 minds. Those ****s shouldn't have been breaking into someone's home and threatening someone's family or even lay their hands on them (they were tied by them presumably) without some fear of revenge, fight.

However if the retribution was done in such a horrifically violent way as portrayed it's hard to accept it as justified. However adrenaline and fear does crazy things to you.

I'm trying to imagine what I'd feel like if someone had touched my family and threatened their lives...

No, I'm finding it hard to find sympathy for the crooks I'm afraid, I'm moving from the fence towards Mr Hussain.... however I'm not sure of the full details and any extenuating or mitigating circumstances.
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I was about to post this word for word.
 
I think if you tie up a family who've done nothing to you and tell them they're going to die you forfeit your right to anything at all, including your life.

If you initiate that situation then you should just ****ing deal with how it ends.
 
All it is, the way I see it, is that if you start a situation like that, it's going to end badly for someone and there's always going to be the chance it'll be you.. and tough **** if it is.

Geezer got what was coming.

Prison wouldn't have stopped him, but getting his head stoved in seems to have done the trick, so it's worked out pretty fair I'd say.
 
Old Wino said:
WTF! So the guy dishing out the real justice goes to jail and the kidnapping, robbing, knife-wealding terrorist goes free. Jesus H Christ on a stick, how can anybody be on the fence with this one? Sigh, another reason for other countries to point and laugh at us and our ancient innefective legal system.
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Your user name seems very appropriate.

Some people are on the fence because they have some understanding of what actually happened and what a justice system is for.
 
Old Wino said:
WTF! So the guy dishing out the real justice goes to jail and the kidnapping, robbing, knife-wealding terrorist goes free. Jesus H Christ on a stick, how can anybody be on the fence with this one? Sigh, another reason for other countries to point and laugh at us and our ancient innefective legal system.
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It wasn't justice.

It was vigilatism/revenge that the law in this country has zero time for.


As some of the more sensible posters have said you can use any reasonable level of force to protect yourself from a threat, or a reasonably perceived threat.

What you cannot do, is chase after someone when they are no longer an immediate threat, beat them over the head with a cricket bat, then keep hitting them when they are down and under no reasonable definition a threat.

If someone breaks into our house and you pick up and bat/knife/hammer/poker and whack them over the head in self defence and they die you'll never see prison, at the very most you may be charged/go to court to let the Jury decide on the facts of the case if there is any doubt.

If you chase someone into the street with half the neighbourhood, then beat the person into a bloody pulp, and then some you're not "defending yourself" by any means.


It's also worth noting, as I don't think anyone here has said this yet but it was a JURY that found him guilty.
Not the Judge, not the legal system, but a Jury of people who would have had to looked at themselves and thought "what would I have done under the same situation, was it a reasonable level of force?".
The Jury after hearing the case obviously believed that the level of force used was far too high, and that it wasn't "self defence".
The Judge just presides over the case, and then gives a sentence if a guilty verdict is returned, and bases that sentence on what the law believes is appropriate for the offence they have been found guilty of, and the circumstances of the case (I'm guessing if it had been a totally unprovoked attack the Judge would probably have been looking at several times the length of the sentence).

I guess what I'm saying, is that in the end that members of the general Public, upon hearing the evidence decided the guy was guilty.
That General Public is the likes of yourselves, and I, not the Legal System, or the Police, the Prosecution or even the Judge, but people like us.
 
The comments in this thread kind of make me laugh. All so liberal and passive and upheld, yet it'd be so interesting to see what you'd do if the same happened to you and your family, i.e. had your wife and child tied up and their life threatened in front of you within your own home.

I would have went completely off my head and probably done the very same as that father/husband did. Yes its not something to be proud of and IS against the law, however there are very few situations in life when sometimes law means **** all, and personally I see this situation as being one of those times. A jail sentence is but a small side effect from delivering real justice on those worthless human-beings, justice that you know the police and courts simply couldn't deliver in weight of his crime on your world.
 
I suggest two things:

i) Reading the posts before commenting on them.
ii) Finding out what "justice" means.

You just look silly when you do neither.
 
eggyoke said:
The comments in this thread kind of make me laugh. All so liberal and passive and upheld, yet it'd be so interesting to see what you'd do if the same happened to you and your family, i.e. had your wife and child tied up and their life threatened in front of you within your own home.

I would have went completely off my head and probably done the very same as that father/husband did. Yes its not something to be proud of and IS against the law, however there are very few situations in life when sometimes law means **** all, and personally I see this situation as being one of those times. A jail sentence is but a small side effect from delivering real justice on those worthless human-beings, justice that you know the police and courts simply couldn't deliver in weight of his crime on your world.
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Harry Brown is that you?
 
I'm back on the fence :o Thanks for replying to my post Anglion but a lot of the questions were rhetoric and I know it was conflicted, it wasn't meant to be the epitome of sense, nor did you need to agree or disagree with it - it makes no odds to me, sorry for your wasted efforts. :)

I'm upset that the crook(s) are not going to prison, but then again he got a good beating as punishment. If you play with fire, be ready to be burnt.

I can rationally understand the reasons why Mr Hussain was tried, but I find it disgraceful that he got so much time in prison and that the original perpetrators got away scott free.

Vigilantism is wrong of course, it leads to anarchy in the long term. It's just a shame they didn't push the **** down the stairs in their home. If only they hadn't turned his brain to mush (which they didn't do enough as he was back to committing crimes once released.) it would have been fine.

This is where I stand.

I sympathise with Mr Hussain for the actions he took.
I don't agree that he should have carried on the beating - tied him up until the police turned up would have been enough.
I don't agree with the length of the sentence.
I don't agree that the crook got away with it in spite of carrying on his criminal lifestyle.


I think people who are holier than thou about the retribution are pathetic and have no concept what something like this affects you. Conversely I think people seeking blood so barbarically is also excessive. I shan't be crying over the crook's brain damage.

I feel compelled to shake Mr Hussain's hand, but at the same time slightly disappointed he went OTT.

So there. I agree it was possibly excessive, I agree that in terms of the law what happened to Mr Hussain was probably correct, I disagree that in terms of the law what happened to the crook was wrong, I disagree that the crook didn't deserve a beating.
 
If you break into my house and threaten my family with a knife,you give up your human rights as far as I'm concerned.
 
I would like to think I would do time if that happened to my family. You threaten to kill my family and my most basic instinct is going to be to kill you stone dead in my house or in the street. I don't think I could stop myself in the circumstances.

I have thought the scenario through in my mind and that is what I honestly think.
 
Freefaller said:
I'm back on the fence :o Thanks for replying to my post Anglion but a lot of the questions were rhetoric and I know it was conflicted, it wasn't meant to be the epitome of sense, nor did you need to agree or disagree with it - it makes no odds to me, sorry for your wasted efforts. :)
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You posed what appeared to be reasonable questions in a public forum. If you didn't want anyone to reply, you shouldn't have done that.

You aren't the only person here, so you don't get to decide what is a wasted post. Replying to you alone would be a waste, but replies on a public forum are not read by you alone.

I can rationally understand the reasons why Mr Hussain was tried, but I find it disgraceful that he got so much time in prison and that the original perpetrators got away scott free.
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He got 30 months for a particularly brutal attempted murder. That is not "so much time in prison".

It isn't proven that the person he tried to kill was one of the perpetrators.

That person was too brain-damaged to plea, which makes them unfit for trial. The lack of a trial is not about them, it's about how a justice system works.

We don't know if the others did get away.
 
They should have caught him, restrained him and waited for the police, not proceeded to kick ten tons of **** out of him with bats.
 
It's the lack of faith in the british justice system that drives people to dish out there own justice in these situations, if Mr Hussain had tied up the yob untill the Police arrived like someone had suggested the yob would have been given a slap on the wrist mabe a bit of comunity service then would be back on his yobbish way.
 
confusing.. started off with just his wife and kids coming home, he then enlisted his magical teleporting brother and a gang to beat the crap out of somebody... what the hell kinda story is this?... good ol' eye witness reports!

Possibly a bit too far with a cricket bat. but then again if anybody threatened my wife and kids im sure a lot of people would do the same. agree that he should do time for it, but then so should the burglars. especially considering hes got a bunch of other stuff on his record. bet the police actually love this bloke for bashing him about abit!
 
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