Homeowner fights off knife-wielding burglars, gets 30 months; burglar spared jail

[Sawell]

We need a person with a dark passenger to sort out this mess ¬_¬

You watch the season 4 finale? Blew my mind.

On topic:

Don't burgle people's houses and threaten lives. Wrath is a nasty emotion, you don't want to mess with it. Was it legal? No. Should they both be in jail? Yes. They're both a danger to our society.

 

[FTM]

He chased the man down the street and beat him with a bat. If he had hit the man over the head while in his house defending himself and his family, there wouldn't be such an issue, he still may have had problems if he continually battered the man who was unconcious on the floor.

Even defending yourself in your own home has blurred lines as to what is deemed acceptable.

that seems to be the main problem, if it had been a spur of the moment attack in his own home it would have been self defence, as it stands in the story though he got away went and got his brother than persued the thief inteding to do him harm, it then becomes a pre-medited act of violence not in his own home which is why he's been done

if he has had his posse with him then they could have restrained him..instead they resorted to their own weapons

 

[Freefaller]

It's just a shame they kept hitting. If they hadn't and just incapacitated the crook, I still doubt he'd have gone to prison in spite of his 50+ misdemeanours, and I still think somehow that the homeowner would have been pulled through the hot coals.

I honestly don't think mr Hussain purposefully went out to near on kill the crook, and got lost in the heat of the moment. It's unfortunate I must say. It's still a shame that people feel that they must take the law into their own hands. Doesn't make it right of course, but it's understandable.

I just hope that his family will be safe whilst he's doing his time, though I thought the jails were full to bursting and only left spaces for real criminals? I presume he'll be in a low security prison?

What I find annoying is the nonchalance with which crooks seem to behave and what they seem to get away with... breaking and threatening life is not to be taken lightly in my opinion.

 

[NitrogenY3K]

People who give other people permanent brain damage with metal bars and cricket bats deserve to die ?

Nope, the guy deserved brain damage. Just the way I feel on situations like this, if you break into someones house and then threaten to kill someones family with knives you deserve anything and everything that comes your way.

 

[Angilion]

I would love to know what some of these people on here would honestly think and do if it happened to them, would they still be defending the person who attempted the burglary.

Please point out anyone in this thread who is defending the person who attempted the burglary.

if it happened to me, I think I'd either become useless with fear or insane with rage and I might hunt the attackers down and batter them as much as I could, probably to death with whatever I could grab as a club.

But that doesn't mean I'd be right to do so, and if I did then I should be jailed.

 

[Angilion]

Ooh a gang, sounds scary but in reality was just him and his brother.

No, it wasn't just those two.

I'm still waiting for someone to provide me with a comparable case in another country where the person using reasonable force in self-defence was convicted and sent to prison.

Bo-one has been convicted and jailed for using reasonable force in self defence, so the comparison you're asking for is impossible.

 

[scorza]

No, it wasn't just those two.

Why haven't they been convicted then?

Bo-one has been convicted and jailed for using reasonable force in self defence, so the comparison you're asking for is impossible.

WTF? Mr Hussain has - that's kinda the point of this thread.

Look at it from Mr Hussain's kids point of view. Armed men enter your house, tie you, your Mum, your Dad up and threaten them, humiliate them by making them crawl around on the floor. Somehow your Dad manages to escape, raises the alarm and chases after the armed men with your Uncle. Your Dad and Uncle get sent to prison for ~3 years. I love how you think that's justice If that is justice then give me anarchy any day of the week.

 

[Sawell]

Please point out anyone in this thread who is defending the person who attempted the burglary.

if it happened to me, I think I'd either become useless with fear or insane with rage and I might hunt the attackers down and batter them as much as I could, probably to death with whatever I could grab as a club.

But that doesn't mean I'd be right to do so, and if I did then I should be jailed.

This, basically.

It's unfortunate that the theft/threat victim had to reach that level of rage, and for all we know he may never face a situation where he becomes like that again. However, the facts are he did and that kind of behaviour is a threat to the society that we inhabit. You'd go one of two ways in his situation, and although it's a small victory for playing cricket with a lowlife's face, the direction he did take can't be accepted nor condoned.

On the flip side of the coin it's horrible for someone to have to be in that situation, and the robber deserves everything he gets for putting another human in that situation

 

[The IPB]

What I find most disturbing in this thread is the people who claim they would have beaten the man to death. Or that it would have been better if he had died from his injuries.

 

[a1ex2001]

WTF? Mr Hussain has - that's kinda the point of this thread.

Look at it from Mr Hussain's kids point of view. Armed men enter your house, tie you, your Mum, your Dad up and threaten them, humiliate them by making them crawl around on the floor. Somehow your Dad manages to escape, raises the alarm and chases after the armed men with your Uncle. Your Dad and Uncle get sent to prison for ~3 years. I love how you think that's justice If that is justice then give me anarchy any day of the week.

He didn't get three years for chasing them or defending himself and his family he got three years for beating a man virtually to death in the street with the help of your uncle. If his life had been under threat at the time of the assault then he would have been cleared provided he used reasonable force which he probably did given that the attacker was armed. However his life wasn't in danger so he gets charged with attempted muder and gets what is a very light sentence for such a serious crime as the judge has taken into account the circumstances. The burglar would have been charged and almost certainly jailed had he not have been permanently maimed during the assault.

 

[Angilion]

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WTF? Mr Hussain has - that's kinda the point of this thread.
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Mr Hussain was not convicted for using reasonable force in self defence.

He did not use reasonable force.

He was not acting in self defence.

So he was not using reasonable force in self defence.

 

[The IPB]

Originally Posted by scorza
Somehow your Dad manages to escape, raises the alarm and chases after the armed men with your Uncle. Your Dad and Uncle get sent to prison for ~3 years. I love how you think that's justice If that is justice then give me anarchy any day of the week.

I like the way you omit the bit where they beat him half to death with a bat and metal bar.

 

[Tefal]

shutit or I'll mash your skull open and break the bat in 4 places!

Kinky

 

[jakeke]

Nope, the guy deserved brain damage. Just the way I feel on situations like this, if you break into someones house and then threaten to kill someones family with knives you deserve anything and everything that comes your way.

Well a different person might say that a thug and his friends that beat a man with a cricket bats and metal bars to the point of brain damage deserves to die. I can't see the difference, I think the beating is the worse of the two crimes on paper. Two wrongs make two wrongs.

 

[The IPB]

You forget most people on OCUK wouldn't have a 2nd thought about killing or nearly killing someone. ALPHA

 

[edscdk]

What I find most disturbing in this thread is the people who claim they would have beaten the man to death. Or that it would have been better if he had died from his injuries.

Robbing someone's house is bad.. most burglers would (I assume) run when confronted by the owner, this guy decided to tie the owners up and threaten them...

unless he does have brain dammage he will probably do it again...

If you think he should be roaming the streets free I hope he visits you next and not me... What would you do, tell him to jolly well go away and not come back and kill you later on that night? maybe tell him to go kill someone else.. that would teach him...

If he had simply run and been chased down I can see your point of view.

 

[Glaucus]

If you think he should be roaming the streets free

Who's saying he was free?

If he had simply run and been chased down I can see your point of view.

he did.

 

[fez]

No sympathy for the criminal. People saying that this would lead to this sort of things for stealing etc are just being plain stupid. His family was tied up and he was told he might be killed. He should get some punishment for this but what do you expect.

You cant have a criminal justice system that doesnt punish criminals and expect the victims not to fight back at some point.

As mentioned, very little would have happened to the guy who was beaten if he was just caught. I love reading these people criminal records; some of them make you wonder what you would have to do to actually be taken off the streets.

 

[The IPB]

Robbing someone's house is bad.. most burglers would (I assume) run when confronted by the owner, this guy decided to tie the owners up and threaten them...

unless he does have brain dammage he will probably do it again...

If you think he should be roaming the streets free I hope he visits you next and not me... What would you do, tell him to jolly well go away and not come back and kill you later on that night? maybe tell him to go kill someone else.. that would teach him...

If he had simply run and been chased down I can see your point of view.

Where in the article did it say he has killed anyone? Robbing someone and threatening to kill them, is very different from actually having commited murder.

Where do you get the idea that he is going to come back and kill me from? He has 50 past convictions I doubt any of them are for murder somehow, he is more likely a thieving *****.

I would have chased them out my house, once my family is safe that is all I want.

 

[a1ex2001]

Robbing someone's house is bad.. most burglers would (I assume) run when confronted by the owner, this guy decided to tie the owners up and threaten them...

unless he does have brain dammage he will probably do it again...

If you think he should be roaming the streets free I hope he visits you next and not me... What would you do, tell him to jolly well go away and not come back and kill you later on that night? maybe tell him to go kill someone else.. that would teach him...

If he had simply run and been chased down I can see your point of view.

Do remember he didn't kill or even physically harm anyone, there is a big difference bettween threatening to kill someone and actually doing it. The home owner was much closer to actually killing someone.