Poll: Do you support the BA Cabin Crew 12 day strike at Christmas?

Do you support the BA Cabin Crew 12 day strike?

  • Yes

    Votes: 94 12.5%

  • No

    Votes: 656 87.5%
  • Total voters
    750
  • Poll closed .
dannyjo22 said:
... Labour only really got in again because people were so utterly fed up of the Tories, yet people seem to forget this. The same is happening again, Cameron is only going to walk it because everyone is sick of whats happening. ...
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There is just about as much difference between New Labour and the Tories as there is between McDonalds and Burger King.

One day people will wise up to the fact that New Labour are just another flavour of Tory; they both rely on appealing to people's selfishness, greed and desire for instant gratification.
 
I've tried looking, but I can't find anything about the relative seniority of the cabin crews of say, Virgin and BA.

It's an interesting point I feel and without such data really renders the CAA comparison worthless.

For example, if you have two companies with identical pay structures of a £15k starting salary, increasing 5% per year, you could end up in 10 years time with:

Company A - 100 staff all from the start - wages = 100 x 24k = £2.4million
Company B - 100 staff with an annual turnover of 25% (applied equally to all staff) = £1.75 million.

So two companies, despite having identical terms & conditions, can end up with a considerably different wage bill for the sole reason of having loyal employees.

Sucks eh :p

Especially given the only way to rectify it is either a) make senior staff redundant or b) offer a less competitive package to new starters.* Wait a sec....that sounds familiar..

So the lesson to be learnt? Er - if you're with your employer for a while, get as much as you can while it lasts because before long you become uneconomical :p

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*or c) don't offer payrises for length of service, of course :p
 
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stockhausen said:
There is just about as much difference between New Labour and the Tories as there is between McDonalds and Burger King.

One day people will wise up to the fact that New Labour are just another flavour of Tory; they both rely on appealing to people's selfishness, greed and desire for instant gratification.
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We agree on that then. I would add the Lib Dems to that - all three are to all intents and purposes one government which is why it is pointless voting in the general election for any of those parties. The idea of a real opposition and a real choice is just smoke and mirrors.
 
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Good result for BA.

Can't see much changing though, by all accounts only 10% or something were possible 'incorrect' ballots, so there's still c. 80% support for strikes (assuming everyone leaving voted to strike ofc)
 
dannyjo22 said:
No offence intended Dolph but every time I read your posts all I see is Tory Boy from the old Harry Enfield sketches :D

I literally cannot wait for the tories to get in so everyone can see they won't be any better off, the sleaze won't dissapear and to see for how many years Tory boys will pedal out the line about fixing Labours term.

Labour only really got in again because people where so utterly fed up of the tories, yet people seem to forget this. The same is happening again, Cameron is only going to walk it because everyone is sick of whats happening.

One day people will wise up and realise nothing changes, or maybe they have which is why more people vote for X factor than an election.
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I don't like the Tories much more, I think government generally gets it wrong most of the time because the population, collectively, want the impossible and the government tries to accommodate.

There is a reason why I want the smallest government that is possible and practical, and it isn't because I trust one party more than the others.

dannyjo22 said:
Exactly. The figure quoted for EasyJet flying waitresses makes no mention of the huge bonus they get. IIRC it's upto 50% of their salary paid as a bonus depending on company performance and personal performance. Even on the quoted £17k it would really raise the money up. Plus they don't need to make a profit to take that bonus.
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The figures quoted come from the CAA (so are independent), and do include bonuses.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6466748.ece

[/quote]If the company forecasts a £300 million loss and they only lose £280 million, thats considered a good performance and the bonus is paid. Hence why despite making seriously bad calls on the airbus and fuel the management team managed a bonus of £200k plus each.

There isn't a way in hell Hosties working out of london are getting 14k per annum.[/QUOTE]

Unless you've got something to support that from an independent source, then yes they do.
 
Rich_L said:
Good result for BA.

Can't see much changing though, by all accounts only 10% or something were possible 'incorrect' ballots, so there's still c. 80% support for strikes (assuming everyone leaving voted to strike ofc)
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Yes even if none of the ineligible people had voted, there would still have been a large majority in favour of striking, but that was immaterial to the verdict because the union was duty bound to follow the letter of the law apparently.
 
Quite right too - bit of an own goal by the Union though :p

That said, no doubt the next vote will be influenced by the various reactions so will be interesting to see whether the proportion changes.
 
I hope for all concerned that common sense prevails now, and they reach an agreement without the need to call another strike ballot.
 
Rich_L said:
Good result for BA.

Can't see much changing though, by all accounts only 10% or something were possible 'incorrect' ballots, so there's still c. 80% support for strikes (assuming everyone leaving voted to strike ofc)
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All they've done is treated the symptom, while making the underlying disease much worse. Ironically this could end up costing BA more as more strikes are inevitable next year.
 
Is there anyway for Unite to have another vote and still manage to cause a strike over the christmas holiday? Or does this take at least 4 weeks? (as some people are thinking here at work).
 
.Lethal said:
Is there anyway for Unite to have another vote and still manage to cause a strike over the christmas holiday? Or does this take at least 4 weeks? (as some people are thinking here at work).
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Sky News said February would be the earliest they expect a new ballot, not sure if that's guess work or what
 
I wonder whether those who have now rushed out and made alternative arrangements (customers, other airlines, BA) can now claim damages from the union for the costs incurred due to their illegal declaration of strike action.

or is this another case of Unions without responsibility, much like the rest of the laws relating to striking?
 
.Lethal said:
Is there anyway for Unite to have another vote and still manage to cause a strike over the christmas holiday? Or does this take at least 4 weeks? (as some people are thinking here at work).
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You have to give a minimum of 7 days notice to hold a strike ballot, so it isn't going to happen in time for christmas now.
 
JBuk said:
Sky News said February would be the earliest they expect a new ballot, not sure if that's guess work or what
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Thats good to hear, need confirmation of this mind people going on holiday over the original strike period are still worried.
 
.Lethal said:
Thats good to hear, need confirmation of this mind people going on holiday over the original strike period are still worried.
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At this point the union could still appeal this decision so until that is announced one way or the other, this strike could potentially still go ahead but it seems unlikely.
 
Good news that BA won its court action and deemed the strike illegal...well i mean the court did.

Hopefully these greedy strikers will think before jumping...can only hope BA sack the lot of them or cut their pay down to those of other airlines...that will teach them:D
 
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