Homeowner fights off knife-wielding burglars, gets 30 months; burglar spared jail

[Deleted member 651465]

A similar thing happened where I used to live.

Friend of the family came home from working a job on the door (bouncer) to discover his garage being burgled. He chased 1 of the 2 men in to his house and broke his legs.

No sympathy from me, but there's a limit.. smashing someone's skull open is beyond that

 

[moremoney]

Which Russian war criminals do you have in mind that managed to kill more than 26 million people and are now living in this country?

In 1933 russia killed around 7 million Ukrainians by taking their grain and selling it to the Western world.

The russian NKVD taught the SS how to torture people, and provided the tools.

Thousands of jews fled Germany to the ussr, and stalin rounded them up and sent them back to the gestapo. And then helped to gas them.

So some of this number can be attributed to the russians as well as the germans.

Around 20 million russians were killed on stalins orders, which the west will not acknowledge as war crimes, we need their oil and gas.
They also became to powerful for us to do anything about.

They also lost millions in action, with the NKVD shooting at them from the rear to stop them running away.

The true figure of russian atrocities will never be known, even with written evidence, they still deny a lot of it to this day.

The western world has the names of a lot of the russian army who committed these murders, the same as they had the names of the germans.

I never said they lived here, i am saying that they are free to come and go as they please, and always have been.

 

[Fenris]

He tied the mans family up and said he would kill them. the fact that he tied the family up doesn't inspire confidence that he was just trying to hurt their feelings now does it?

Where have I said what the man did was right?

And as for your condecending finish, shove it up your arse.

I am simply trying to point out that you can not justify attempted murder because of a threat, regardless of the person doing it.

It is the situation that is important here, the guy had left the mans house, he had run away and his family were now safe yet is followed him, recruited friends and hunted this man down for revenge, if he had aquired a cricket bat and while the man held his family at gun point hit him in the head I would react very differantly, but he didn't, in fact he already had done that just with a coffee table, it jsut wasn't enough for him, which is the point where he crossed the line.

 

[ethan]

In simple terms if the guy hadn't have decided to have burgled or made an attempt to burgle someone's house and tie-up and terrorise the inhabitants he wouldn't have been wacked by the cricket bat or the other members of the family. I'm just amazed the burgler hasn't been jailed for the offence (along with being in possesssion of and using the threat odf a knife) as I am suprised that the feelings of the bound inhabitants haven't been taken in to consideration. The circumstances regarding this case, in many respects, appears to send out the wrong message to any would be career criminal as well as law abiding citizens.

 

[Dolph]

In simple terms if the guy hadn't have decided to have burgled or made an attempt to burgle someone's house and tie-up and terrorise the inhabitants he wouldn't have been wacked by the cricket bat or the other members of the family. I'm just amazed the burgler hasn't been jailed for the offence (along with being in possesssion of and using the threat odf a knife) as I am suprised that the feelings of the bound inhabitants haven't been taken in to consideration. The circumstances regarding this case, in many respects, appears to send out the wrong message to any would be career criminal.

He would have been tried for the offence had he not been rendered unfit due to the injuries suffered.

The feelings of the victims were taken into account, that is why the bloke with the bat got 30 months rather than something more in line with standard sentencing for the offence in question.

 

[ethan]

The feelings of the victims were taken into account, that is why the bloke with the bat got 30 months rather than something more in line with standard sentencing for the offence in question.

Oh I see. I just asssumed it was the husbands feelings only. It would be interesting to have looked at the evidence given for the "brain damage" as that (without knowing any of the details) could be anything.

 

[Angilion]

Yes killing someone for standing on a pavement was clearly what I was talking about

You stated that anyone who broke the law should be outlawed without even an investigation, let alone a trial, completely denied the protection of the law, which means anyone is free to kill them without breaking the law. You also expressed approval of at least trying to kill such people.

I wanted to see if you drew a line anywhere, and if so where. So I gave an example of someone breaking the law. Which you had previously said should result in them being outlawed and killed by anyone who say them breaking the law.

It was indeed a stupid example. That was part of my point.

 

[Angilion]

In simple terms if the guy hadn't have decided to have burgled or made an attempt to burgle someone's house and tie-up and terrorise the inhabitants he wouldn't have been wacked by the cricket bat or the other members of the family. I'm just amazed the burgler hasn't been jailed for the offence (along with being in possesssion of and using the threat odf a knife) as I am suprised that the feelings of the bound inhabitants haven't been taken in to consideration. The circumstances regarding this case, in many respects, appears to send out the wrong message to any would be career criminal as well as law abiding citizens.

The alleged burglar wasn't jailed because he's too brain-damaged to be given a fair trial.

The feelings of the bound inhabitants are irrelevant to the case, as they weren't on trial.

The feelings of Mr Hussain and the circumstances of the crimes were hugely taken into consideration, which was why he got such an astonishingly lenient sentence.

Despite the disinformation in the media and down the pub, it is not normal for such a brutal attacker to be given such a small sentence. An extremely serious case of GBH with intent, like this one, could result in a life sentence.

EDIT: Imagine a different media spin on the attack:

A gang of armed thugs chase down their victim and batter him with a cricket bat and steel poles, kick him, stamp on his head, all in front of witnessess because the thugs think that in Broken Britain they are above the law! By sheer chance, the victim they were trying to kill survives, but is badly brain-damaged. Only one of the thugs is convicted and he only gets 2 and a half years. No doubt in a holiday camp where he'll play on games consoles and live in luxury and he'll be out in a few months anyway! This sends the wrong message to violent criminals! Blah blah blah.

I would have jailed him for much longer.

 

[B&W]

look the truth is the mans family got kidnapped, tied up, beaten and threatened. god knows how he felt, i dont think any1 has the rite to say he was wrong for the beating he gave to that sob.

the thief should be behind bars for a good decade or so. let mr hussain free.

 

[Liamalxd]

too true B&W

 

[B&W]

The alleged burglar wasn't jailed because he's too brain-damaged to be given a fair trial.

The feelings of the bound inhabitants are irrelevant to the case, as they weren't on trial.

The feelings of Mr Hussain and the circumstances of the crimes were hugely taken into consideration, which was why he got such an astonishingly lenient sentence.

Despite the disinformation in the media and down the pub, it is not normal for such a brutal attacker to be given such a small sentence. An extremely serious case of GBH with intent, like this one, could result in a life sentence.

EDIT: Imagine a different media spin on the attack:

A gang of armed thugs chase down their victim and batter him with a cricket bat and steel poles, kick him, stamp on his head, all in front of witnessess because the thugs think that in Broken Britain they are above the law! By sheer chance, the victim they were trying to kill survives, but is badly brain-damaged. Only one of the thugs is convicted and he only gets 2 and a half years. No doubt in a holiday camp where he'll play on games consoles and live in luxury and he'll be out in a few months anyway! This sends the wrong message to violent criminals! Blah blah blah.

I would have jailed him for much longer.

ur a idiot then if thats how u feel. like 2 see how u feel when ppl do that to ur family, will u just sit on top of him and wait for the good old bill to come. dont think so m8.

 

[Angilion]

ur a idiot then if thats how u feel. like 2 see how u feel when ppl do that to ur family, will u just sit on top of him and wait for the good old bill to come. dont think so m8.

Are you aware that you undermine whatever point you might have by using such an abortion of English? It makes you look like you are resorting to a simplified pigdin because you're too stupid to use a complete language. Perhaps you are.

Of course, you'd look a fool anyway because you decided to create a false dichotomy with a strawman and attack that instead of my argument. Which, to be fair to you, is perhaps too complex for you to understand.

 

[Liamalxd]

i'm not defending anyone here but angilion,
if somebody came into your home you'd worked most of your life to obtain,
and tried to impose physical violence to the people you care about and you stopped them.
and you got thrown in jail while they walk the streets, you'd view that as justice?
or are you mean't to allow the attackers to harm your family?

P.S i'm going on a rough estimate of what's been said ... I haven't read the last 16 pages lol

 

[Angilion]

i'm not defending anyone here but angilion,
if somebody came into your home you'd worked most of your life to obtain,
and tried to impose physical violence to the people you care about and you stopped them.
and you got thrown in jail while they walk the streets, you'd view that as justice?
or are you mean't to allow the attackers to harm your family?

P.S i'm going on a rough estimate of what's been said ... I haven't read the last 16 pages lol

Your rough estimate is wrong, so the conclusions you draw from it are wrong.

This guy was not jailed just because him and his family were the victims of a home invasion. Where did you get that idea from?

No-one, absolutely no-one, has said that he, or anyone else in such a situation, should allow the attackers to harm his/their family. Where did you get that idea from? It makes you look bad, because it looks like you're making things up to create a false (and bad) impression of the people who disagree with you.

Walk the streets? The victim of this attack is currently in jail. That's not walking the streets. He can't be tried for the home invasion because he's too brain-damaged to plead. You can't have a fair trial of someone incompetent to plead innocent or guilty.

 

[Liamalxd]

like I said rough estimate, I was going on the title of the piece lol

stop saying things are making people look bad for one ... it was a rough estimate how can it look bad if only made an assumption on the information I had ... well if your saying a I look bad for not looking at the last 16 pages go for it lol but otherwise nevermind.

So your also saying if an animal attacked someone we would not retaliate against that individual just because they lack the mental competence the rest of us do? its still an attack no matter what/who did it.

 

[Freefaller]

He's highly strung, don't take it personally.

 

[Liamalxd]

don't worry I won't

Just trying to understand each other

 

[Vonhelmet]

I think you need to try to understand the instant case first. Read the story and understand the circumstances, then argue the case from the facts, rather than some make believe version of events that makes the violence more acceptable. Also understand that we don't put mentally incapable people on trial for the very good reason that an essential tenet of our justice system is that you be allowed to defend yourself in court.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I would much rather be punched several times, than be tied up in my own home, while someone stands over me, with weapons making threats.

Mental injuries can be a lot more serious than physical injury.

And maybe if Mr Hussain and friends had stuck to simply punching Mr Salem until he was no longer a threat then it wouldn't be such an issue (although the fact that he was running away negates that idea to an extent but it would quite possibly be let slide to take account of the emotions Mr Hussain was presumably feeling) however that's not what happened here, they armed themselves and beat a man to permanent injury. Does any of this mean the burglar was right to be attempting to steal? Not in the least but being the initial wronged party does not completely absolve them of any responsibility for their actions - a bit of proportionality wouldn't go amiss.

How the hell did they manage to get 'life' for theft?

Not a clue, I'd suspect it is a very old case if it exists from back in the good old days when hangings and theories of disproportionate punishments being somehow suitable were de rigeur. However a quick search on the "Tiniton twelve" brings up this thread as the first result for whatever use that is.

look the truth is the mans family got kidnapped, tied up, beaten and threatened. god knows how he felt, i dont think any1 has the rite to say he was wrong for the beating he gave to that sob.

the thief should be behind bars for a good decade or so. let mr hussain free.

I think the judge and the jury (let's not forget this was a jury trial) have a right to say he was wrong, he went above and beyond what would be considered a reasonable or proportionate response. The burglar was quite clearly in the wrong, there's not a shadow of doubt about that but that doesn't somehow make it ok to mete out your own version of justice.

 

[[TW]Fox]

ur a idiot then if thats how u feel. like 2 see how u feel when ppl do that to ur family, will u just sit on top of him and wait for the good old bill to come. dont think so m8.

Well he did a good job didn't he, as a result of his actions the guy was never charged.

Infact interestingly, and nobody has yet mentioned this, we only have the word of a brutal thug and his brother as to what actually happened inside the house...