rage against the x-factor - Outcome: RATM is the Christmas Number One!

PMKeates said:
The X-Factor single would have achieved the No.1 spot with or without the support groups. RATM would not have.
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And the X-factor with all it's associated publicity is not a distortion of the chart?

If they don't want distortion then downloads should never have been added to the chart count. It should go on physical CD sales only.
 
skippi90 said:
That means sweet **** all. The rules are rules. Not determined by other factors, just bare rules. If they decide the FB groups aren't doing anything wrong, then there's no problem.
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Yes, of course. I am saying that, it's possible, the Facebook group will constitute as an "other party" that will contravene the rules by intentionally setting out to distort the chart.
MagicBoy said:
And the X-factor with all it's associated publicity is not a distortion of the chart?

If they don't want distortion then downloads should never have been added to the chart count. It should go on physical CD sales only.
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People download music to listen to it. By counting the number of downloads you can see how popular a song is in. If I am a rich billionaire and buy 5,000,000 copies of a song because I want it to be No.1, that is a distortion of the chart. This is, in reality, little different to that.
 
Surely that rule is designed to stop record companies buying up the stock of a CD in order to make it seem more popular than it is, thereby ensuring radio play? Can't see it applies in this situation.
 
Love how one of them is actually saying they know somone that works for the radio Authorites....yea...sure ya do love.
 
If RATM are disqualified later, who cares. They are clearly going to be played on Radio 1 later, so if they are disqualified in the future it will not make it any less of a victory.
 
Masterdog said:
Surely that rule is designed to stop record companies buying up the stock of a CD in order to make it seem more popular than it is, thereby ensuring radio play? Can't see it applies in this situation.
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I suspect it is, yes. However, it does mention any "other party", probably to stop long-winded connections to the record company buying it, and just preventing anyone from distorting the chart intentionally.
 
PMKeates said:
Yes, of course. I am saying that, it's possible, the Facebook group will constitute as an "other party" that will contravene the rules by intentionally setting out to distort the chart.
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Which would mean that they would HAVE to disqualify the X-Factor track too and any other track that ends up with a get to no.1 group. Else, it's not following their own rules.
 
No, you are misinterpreting the rule. If I release a song and promote it, or promote an old song of mine to be sold on it's own merit, that is fine. However, the RATM song was not re-promoted by them, and was promoted purely to distort the chart and prevent X-Factor being No. 1. Surely the distinction is obvious?
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without the x-factor and simon cowell his single would never even enter the charts

of its own merits no one would buy it
 
Martini1991 said:
That is breaking the rules!
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If they said buy our records and we'll do you a free gig, that would be against the rules because they are offering an incentive to the purchasers

Simply saying there will be a free gig if we get to no1 isn't breaking them as they are not asking people to buy their records in return for a gig
 
Nitefly said:
If RATM are disqualified later, who cares. They are clearly going to be played on Radio 1 later, so if they are disqualified in the future it will not make it any less of a victory.
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Indeed.
It might sounds defetist, but I think we scored a victory already. Who in a million years thought that <<Insert any Xfactor winners name here>> and RATM will be mentioned in the same breath, on primetime national radio.
 
Nitefly said:
If RATM are disqualified later, who cares. They are clearly going to be played on Radio 1 later, so if they are disqualified in the future it will not make it any less of a victory.
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It won't be. It has already been tested with Buckley last year and I am sure others and they didn't not disqualify them. They did how ever lose loads of downloads due to people bulk buying.
 
skippi90 said:
Which would mean that they would HAVE to disqualify the X-Factor track too and any other track that ends up with a get to no.1 group. Else, it's not following their own rules.
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They may well have to. However, there's a clear difference between a get to No. 1 group, and a response to it. I think anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows what the X-Factor single would have otherwise been No.1. If you were to take the CD and download sales for the X-Factor single before any stop RATM group was formed, and then cancel the RATM sales, it would still be No.1.
arknor said:
without the x-factor and simon cowell his single would never even enter the charts

of its own merits no one would buy it
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Yes but that is promotion for the sake of promoting a single. It is not promotion for the sole intention of distorting the charts.

I'm going to say it again - surely this distinction is obvious.
 
How far do you take distorting the chart though? As a TV show with over 19 million viewers is distorting normal record sales.

Personally I think Joe would have ****** all over the RATM attempt if the song was actually anywhere near good. Doing a cover of a Miley Cyrus kiddies song though, what were they thinking?

It just goes to show that they cant just sing any old **** and get xmas number one it still has to be worth listening to. Which in my eyes (if RATM win) is a huge triumph.
 
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