rage against the x-factor - Outcome: RATM is the Christmas Number One!

Supercow said:
Joe admin:
Why wont it happen. its clearly against chart rules. its the end of the charts if this is allowed to happen.

http://www.joemcelderry.com/index.php/topic,1183.0.html
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Doesn't the whole X Factor circus also distort the chart? Miley Cyrus only reached number 11 with this song originally, why is it suddenly a runner for christmas no.1 when sung by some random clown off the street with less talent?

X Factor would have to release the song first and air the series afterwards to not distort its position and only gain sales on its musical merits.
 
PMKeates said:
They may well have to. However, there's a clear difference between a get to No. 1 group, and a response to it. I think anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows what the X-Factor single would have otherwise been No.1. If you were to take the CD and download sales for the X-Factor single before any stop RATM group was formed, and then cancel the RATM sales, it would still be No.1.
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Of course it would have, but if you're going to disqualify a song for contravening a clear cut rule, then any others that are found to have done the same must also face the same fate. Simple stuff.
 
PMKeates said:
They may well have to. However, there's a clear difference between a get to No. 1 group, and a response to it. I think anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows what the X-Factor single would have otherwise been No.1. If you were to take the CD and download sales for the X-Factor single before any stop RATM group was formed, and then cancel the RATM sales, it would still be No.1.Yes but that is promotion for the sake of promoting a single. It is not promotion for the sole intention of distorting the charts.

I'm going to say it again - surely this distinction is obvious.
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It has been tested before last year and they did not disqualify.
 
BluZiff said:
How far do you take distorting the chart though? As a TV show with over 19 million viewers is distorting normal record sales.
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It's not. That would be "normal record sales", as there is positive promotion of itself in order to be successful. It is advertising a record that people choose to buy. That could be because they like it, or because they are brainwashed.

However, the situation with RATM, is that 99%+ people who bought it, bought it for the sole intention of distorting the charts.

X-Factor isn't for the sole intention of distorting the charts. It is for the intention of making money. This is "normal".
skippi90 said:
Of course it would have, but if you're going to disqualify a song for contravening a clear cut rule, then any others that are found to have done the same must also face the same fate. Simple stuff.
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It is not a clear cut rule. The rule requires a group of reasonable people to sit down and make a decision in the best interest of the validity of the chart, by determining if the actions of any one or group of individuals has intentionally distorted their chart. If it has, it'll be disqualified. If it hasn't, fine. I think in this situation, it would be quite easy for a normal-minded group of people to say that the RATM groups did distort the chart, and the X-Factor support groups didn't.
 
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PMKeates said:
Yes but that is promotion for the sake of promoting a single. It is not promotion for the sole intention of distorting the charts.
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The timing is though. The do it specifically to time it for the Christmas No.1 which gives them even more publicity. I would say it is a bit of a grey area to be honest and X Factor would be advised not to try and push them on this point.
 
mmj_uk said:
Doesn't the whole X Factor circus also distort the chart? Miley Cyrus only reached number 11 with this song originally, why is it suddenly a runner for christmas no.1 when sung by some random clown off the street with less talent?

X Factor would have to release the song first and air the series afterwards to not distort its position and only gain sales on its musical merits.
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I was quoting the Joe forum admin, not my opint of view mate
 
Kenai said:
The distinction is this:

Regular song - "Hey, buy our song, we want to be number 1"

RATM4XMAS - "Hey, buy this song so that X Factor can't be number 1"
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Well technically regular artists want people to buy their song so that everyone else can't be number 1. :p
 
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Kenai said:
The distinction is this:

Regular song - "Hey, buy our song, we want to be number 1"

RATM4XMAS - "Hey, buy this song so that X Factor can't be number 1"
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I'll say it again
Jeff Buckley did not get disqualify last year.
And 2nd John Morter has been in constant contact with the official charts company all week.
 
Whatever happens today Joe has done very well out of this.

Firstly- massive publicity for his single on top of just being on Xfactor. Secondly his fans have been militarised, in the sense that by having to fight so hard to defend him, they have more invested in him and are more likely to stay fans of his.

He should be grateful to RATM. :D
 
I don't think any disqualification is likely to take place but by the letter of the rules, I suppose technically the RATM entry shouldn't be allowed.

It has no other purpose there other than the sole aim of manipulating the chart to prevent X Factor being top.
 
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RDM said:
The timing is though. The do it specifically to time it for the Christmas No.1 which gives them even more publicity. I would say it is a bit of a grey area to be honest and X Factor would be advised not to try and push them on this point.
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Not really. Timing with Christmas is a financial decision. You are confusing the decision to maximise sales with the intention to prevent the chart from reaching it's natural conclusion. RATM is not timed at Christmas for ANY reason, other than to prevent the natural Christmas No.1.
 
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