surface liquid on Saturn's largest moon

mattheman · 21 Dec 2009 at 01:31

thought this might interest the non spammers.

pretty interesting i think.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...irms-surface-liquid-Saturns-largest-moon.html

Tefal · 21 Dec 2009 at 01:35

How is this news?

It's been known for a long time :confused:

Hades · 21 Dec 2009 at 01:37

I think we're entering a really interesting period is solar exploration and science in general. With 'water' found on the moon and liquid on some other satellites, together with the LHC starting to get used properly, I think we are on the verge of some exciting times.

Tummy · 21 Dec 2009 at 01:39

Hades said:
I think we're entering a really interesting period is solar exploration and science in general. With 'water' found on the moon and liquid on some other satellites, together with the LHC starting to get used properly, I think we are on the verge of some exciting times.

Indeed.

mattheman · 21 Dec 2009 at 01:52

Hades said:
I think we're entering a really interesting period is solar exploration and science in general. With 'water' found on the moon and liquid on some other satellites, together with the LHC starting to get used properly, I think we are on the verge of some exciting times.

the whole thing abotu water etc.. on other worlds now must lead to space exploration pretty soon.

drew64 · 21 Dec 2009 at 01:59

mattheman said:
the whole thing abotu water etc.. on other worlds now must lead to space exploration pretty soon.

once they find a way to get people there with any haste.
last i reead up on it, they were talking about giant solar paneled sails to generate energy for propulsion

Berserker · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:01

Tefal said:
How is this news?

It's been known for a long time

It isn't. The Huygens part of the Cassini-Huygens mission found evidence for surface hydrocarbon lakes (not water - Titan is too cold) in January 2005. Daily Fail is just five years late on the uptake.

Tefal · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:02

mattheman said:
the whole thing abotu water etc.. on other worlds now must lead to space exploration pretty soon.

Not really. water is only one small part of the problem, chemical rockets are massively expensive for the mass they lift which is an issue for the heavy radiation shielding then there's time of travel.

Propulsion is a much bigger problem than water.

Not to mention the huge mass of machinery that would be required to even process the earth (and thus the water) into something usable

Kenai · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:06

Was Hitler swimming in it do we know?

mattheman · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:07

Tefal said:
Not really. water is only one small part of the problem, chemical rockets are massively expensive for the mass they lift which is an issue for the heavy radiation shielding then there's time of travel.

Propulsion is a much bigger problem than water.

Not to mention the huge mass of machinery that would be required to even process the earth (and thus the water) into something usable

Thats almost sorted Helium 3 mass amount on the moon

hence everyone getting into the space race action.

Tefal · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:11

mattheman said:
Thats almost sorted Helium 3 mass amount on the moon

How is helium 3, which has use in fusion reactores iirc, going to provide you with a powerful propulsion technology with which to go to the moon, ship the huge amounts of machinery to then process helium 3 and the rockets/launching mechanisms to launch your mined helium 3 to orbit along with the catching stations and or casings for re-entry.

You can't launch a space ship with a hundred tonne + fusion reactor :confused:

hence everyone getting into the space race action.

Considering not a single country has the capability to produce a working fusion reactor it's not going to happen any time this half century.

PermaBanned · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:14

I'm all for the space balloon programme, weather permitting.

mattheman · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:16

Tefal said:
How is helium 3, which has use in fusion reactores iirc, going to provide you with a powerful propulsion technology with which to go to the moon, ship the huge amounts of machinery to then process helium 3 and the rockets/launching mechanisms to launch your mined helium 3 to orbit along with the catching stations and or casings for re-entry.

You can't launch a space ship with a hundred tonne + fusion reactor

Considering not a single country has the capability to produce a working fusion reactor it's not going to happen any time this half century.

erm build mining process center on the moon, and obital re fueling stations, US have plans for those.

what if i told you 4 nations have a working fusion reactor, china being one of them.

Deadbeat · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:17

Ooh, is that the Cassini probe? If so, my old physics teacher designed & built equipment expressly for that purpose for his PhD. It may even be this discovery - Europa? I forget the moons.

Edit: Not Europa. Shame.

Edit 2:

mattheman said:
what if i told you 4 nations have a working fusion reactor, china being one of them.

Ha ha ha. You make me laugh.

Tefal · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:24

mattheman said:
what if i told you 4 nations have a working fusion reactor, china being one of them.

Does it actually produce a net output of energy and a pulse longer than 10 minutes?

iirc the record is still well below that.

And no one is near a working prototype for anything beyond research use.

They are to fusion reactors as the pile of carbon and uranium bricks in an American racket court was to Sellafield.

mattheman · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:24

Deadbeat said:
Ooh, is that the Cassini probe? If so, my old physics teacher designed & built equipment expressly for that purpose for his PhD. It may even be this discovery - Europa? I forget the moons.

Edit: Not Europa. Shame.

Edit 2:

Ha ha ha. You make me laugh.

No because they do, theyve had them for the passed 8 years, the 1st gen used more energy than they produced however now they create more energy than what they use. According to reports china has a very good fusion reactor, and one of the reason why they didnt care about this climate change issue, because they dont have plans to use old tech like most western nations. They are building 2 fusion reactors one near hong kong and another near urrmqi the later is to power that city.

Tefal · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:27

mattheman said:
erm build mining process center on the moon, and obital re fueling stations, US have plans for those.

what if i told you 4 nations have a working fusion reactor, china being one of them.

How are you going to ship the thousands of tonnes of this "mining process center" and "obital re fueling stations" ?

Chemical rockets?

That's going to cost hundreds of millions/billions in fuel alone

Deadbeat · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:31

mattheman said:
no because they do, theyve had them for the passed 8 years, the 1st gen used more energy than they produced however now they create more than what they use.

So you're either talking about achieving fusion, which any country not totally dedicated to wiping itself out has done, or you're talking about a viable, sustainable reaction, the most important technological achievement since the development of the combustion engine. Should we expect a link to a daily mail article with the details? Or perhaps otehr evidence? Or have the Illuminati not decided to release the information yet?

Tefal · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:32

mattheman said:
No because they do, theyve had them for the passed 8 years, the 1st gen used more energy than they produced however now they create more energy than what they use.

Got a source on that?

Last I hear JET was the best it is nowhere near producing more than it's input.

They are building 2 fusion reactors one near hong kong and another near urrmqi the later is to power that city.

And who told you this?

PermaBanned · 21 Dec 2009 at 02:32

To get them into orbit we need some sort of space elevator, which could also be used to dispose of rubbish and nuclear waste, or balloons. Then to get there you need some form of propulsion, probably chemical, although you only have to reach that critical speed (which i forget). Getting back could be done via solar sails.