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Nothing wrong with owning firearms. Most gang killings aren't even done with legal firearms anyway.
Most states already have strict gun controls.

The ban on the UK worked so well, with the rise of gun crime and all

But the US are still top of the developed countries most deaths by gun by capita, surely thats due to their legal status of firearms. The highschool massacres always seem to be done by a kid who got a gun from his Grandfathers legal arsenal.
 
Take the Taliban in Afghanistan, we went in and toppled that government and changed it for one approved by us and the US, same as Iraq.

that is not interfering with law in any comparable way.

Don't you think we should be defending ourself with Afghanistan. Or removing a dictator which regularly tortured and killed it's own citizens and also launched chemical war fare.

Are you one of these people who support law changes and removal of freedoms if it saves just one life.
 
that is not interfering with law in any comparable way.

Don't you think we should be defending ourself with Afghanistan. Or removing a dictator which regularly tortured and killed it's own citizens and also launched chemical war fare.

Are you one of these people who support law changes and removal of freedoms if it saves just one life.

But they were killing their citizens to the letter of their own law or they thought it was legal in their own eyes, so we went in to change them to a more democratic state of laws. Im all for the removal of said dictators, I wouldn't say we are defending ourselves though I would say we are defending the local population which is a just cause.

What law changes and removal of freedoms do you mean? I think making firearms illegal in the US will save more than 1 life.
 
But they were killing their citizens to the letter of their own law, so we went in to change them to a more democratic state of laws.
No they were random and nothing like legal firearms. Your comparison is nothing at all like each other.


Im all for the removal of said dictators, I wouldn't say we are defending ourselves though I would say we are defending the local population which is a just cause.

Afghanistan were allowing terrorists to train, they even admitted they had Bin laden in the country and that they would not hand him over. So yes it was self defence.
 
No they were random and nothing like legal firearms. Your comparison is nothing at all like each other.

I wasn't talking about legal firearms with that comment, that was in reply to the killing of their own citizens which they believed was justified by their laws, which of course to the rest of the world is far from right, thus giving us our reason to interfere with their laws.


Afghanistan were allowing terrorists to train, they even admitted they had Bin laden in the country and that they would not hand him over. So yes it was self defence.

Thats a fair comment ill agree with that.
 
No they were random and nothing like legal firearms. Your comparison is nothing at all like each other.




Afghanistan were allowing terrorists to train, they even admitted they had Bin laden in the country and that they would not hand him over. So yes it was self defence.

On abour 5 different threads now all I have seen you do is contradict people and start an argument. US and UK are pushing beyond there station and changing the laws of others. Just because our laws think something is wrong it doesnt mean another law will think the same thing. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. As for the ridiculous comment above about allowing terroist to train. There a minority. If you watch the news have we found bin laden yet ? No, because its an allmost impossible task in that terrain to find such a small group. Terroism is like swine flu, hyped up beyond reason by the government for one thing, control.
 
I wasn't talking about legal firearms with that comment, that was in reply to the killing of their own citizens which they believed was justified by their laws, which of course to the rest of the world is far from right, thus giving us our reason to interfere with their laws.

Which always was that. There was a lot of random killing and toruring, nothing to do with laws.
we did not go in and change their laws, we went in and removed a dictator.
The two are not comparable.


If you watch the news have we found bin laden yet ? No, because its an allmost impossible task in that terrain to find such a small group. Terroism is like swine flu, hyped up beyond reason by the government for one thing, control.

Did Afghanistan admit to bin laden and training camps? YES
therefore it was self defence, the Taliban was not willing to act sow e did.

yes it is like a virus and yes it is over hyped. That doesn't change the fact that it was Americas largest terrorist attack, or that Afghanistan would not cooperate and that people where going to Afghanistan to train.

On abour 5 different threads now all I have seen you do is contradict people and start an argument.

And?
 
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Which always was that. There was a lot of random killing and toruring, nothing to do with laws.
we did not go in and change their laws, we went in and removed a dictator.
The two are not comparable.

But in removing the Taliban we did change their laws by removing their very extreme version of Sharia law to be more stable and fair and remove the gruesome aspect without the public executions and the like. We had to change their laws for the human rights aspect.
 
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If you write one classic song you're a good band IMO.

There are tons of big names bands and artists out there who only wrote 1-3 songs that I like, and I consider them good bands.

Loads of people found out mp3 downloads are no longer low kbps drm riddled expensive pap.

They are expensive though.

Majority of MP3s are 70p. i.e. 10 random songs = £7. Hardly cheap. Cheaper than buying an album for one song, yes, but not cheap.
 
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