Homeowner fights off knife-wielding burglars, gets 30 months; burglar spared jail

I think his point is that being sexually abused, bad though it is, is not as bad as being murdered and hence the latter is a more serious crime.

This is exactly my point. I realise its not a common viewpoint but its always confused me how the general population views sexual offences as being more serious than murder. As far as I am concerned, murder is the most serious crime going - it's pretty terminal, isn't it?!
 
I do view sexual offenses as more serious than murder.

the person has to live their whole life often degraded to the point of suicicide. Especially if it has been a parent of family member. It is worse in my eyes. That perverted nature is far more chilling to me than the animalistic rage of a man. People are obviously different, views etc

wheres the life in that though?

think this is going bit ot though.
 
I do view sexual offenses as more serious than murder.

the person has to live their whole life often degraded to the point of sucicide.

wheres the life in that?

what you are saying is you would rather be dead than alive after a sexual atatck. :confused:. I think a lot of victims would disagree with you on that point.

It is worse in my eyes. That perverted nature is far more chilling to me than the animalistic rage of a man. .

that's funny nature does both..
 
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the person has to live their whole life often degraded to the point of suicicide. Especially if it has been a parent of family member. It is worse in my eyes.

We must agree to disagree because IMHO not many things can be worse than death. Death is final and absolute. There is no chance of recovery. There is no chance of life.

Where that chance still exists, the crime must be less serious than murder?
 
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We must agree to disagree because IMHO not many things can be worse than death. Death is final and absolute. There is no chance of recovery. There is no chance of life.

Where that chance still exists, the crime must be less serious than murder?

Death is over and done with, the person knows very little of it unless it was drawn out, cruel and painful.

Sexual assaults wreck lifes.

Both wreck lifes. Murder is almost intrinsic to human nature, sticking your errect ding dong in a child isn't.

That is where my view comes from, as unhinged as it may be.

In spain, in my mothers village a man was found to be abusing a local mentally dissabled girl (from another village iirc). I don't know the exact details, but the locals hounded him out and hung him from a tree. The police did very little as far as I am aware.

That is justice. :)
 
If sexual assault is worse than murder, you would rather be dead than alive after an attack. That is in essence what you are saying.

Both are extremely serious and disgusting. But you are saying you would rather be murdered than sexually assaulted.

I was talking about other persons, but yes I suppose I'd rather someone try to murder me than take me up the rear.

But I am particularly talking about child abuse, but I've taken this WAAAY off track.
 
I was talking about other persons, but yes I suppose I'd rather someone try to murder me than take me up the rear.

But I am particularly talking about child abuse, but I've taken this WAAAY off track.

child or you makes no different. How can sexual assault be worse than murder.

I think a poll most people would rather live with the fact they were assaulted than being dead.

Lots of sexual assualts happen in nature all the time, so I don't get your whole nature point.
 
child or you makes no different. How can sexual assault be worse than murder.

I think a poll most people would rather live with the fact they were assaulted than being dead.

Lots of sexual assualts happen in nature all the time, so I don't get your whole nature point.

Your crossing the two subjects here and I haven't.

I never said anything about sexual assualted people wanting to be dead. What I was saying is the abuse levelled at them cruelly in many fashions over decades sometimes, is worse than a murder that only takes an instance.

Obviously I think very different to you lot.

Rehabilitating sexual offenders is a myth, as is rehabilitating most severe criminals. (imo, and that of my screw father)
 
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Wow, really?

Faced with a situation thats just ended with the assailant running away from your property, you would also gather up your brother, a mate, a bunch of weapons and chase him down?

Blimey.

Yep i would and obviously suffer the consequences but i wouldnt let someone get away with that sort of behaviour.

And i have done it in the past before where a group of kids broke into my car..suffice to say i and my 2 brothers chased them down to some late night cafe where we gave them a severe beating.

Looking back on it im not pleased by what i did but if it taught those little ****s a lesson then great:).

As for vigilante justice??...fair enough im not saying the guy shouldnt be punished but the fact that hes got a heavy sentence while the criminal who did the actual crime got away with it...thats what narks me off about this pathetic country of ours.
 
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Murder wrecks lives even more surely!?

Not to the person afterwards no. Everyone around them yes, time moves on.

My father was murdered in 1995, and I still want to string up a pedo more. I left his killer, and went after a guy who abused my brother (aged 4).

I am a victim of murder, yet still see more nasty filled hatred and abuse in sexual crimes.

Without going into my life history, I know where my point of view comes from. I personally know which gives more grief and pain for a longer period of time.

In death, the person dies. In abuse, the person has the rest of their life to suffer.
 
:rolleyes: he Got an EXTREMELY light sentence. The other guy only got away with it due to the actions of others.

30 months isn't extremely light in my or others' eyes, when it was his first offence and there were MASSIVE mitigating circumstances. The sentence should have been suspended.
 
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I am more scared of murderers than pedos?

In my opinion of this i believe that murder is more likely to occur in a split second action in an unplanned way, for example, taking a gun to a robbery to intimdate but not actually set out to murder somebody. Where-as with "pedos" i see them as to plan out their actions and set out to follow through with what they plan.

i believe the whole UK justice system to be a sham tbh, some people may agree and im sure some people will disagree, but who should decide on the punishment of certain crimes? should it be put to vote? more harsh guidelines set out? stay as it i?
 
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