Best monitor for detailed photography use?

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What would you say was the best possible 30" monitor for faithfull colour reproduction currently available?

Shortlist so far are NEC SpectraView Reference 3090 or the LaCie 730LCD. The LaCie has LED technology. Not sure if this offers a clear advantage over the NEC.

Comments welcome please :)
 
Is this for home use?

There is no way in hell you need either of those monitors to edit photos at home.

Is this a look at me, i am buying 3k monitors thread?
 
Is this for home use?

There is no way in hell you need either of those monitors to edit photos at home.

Is this a look at me, i am buying 3k monitors thread?
Are you serious?

Don't have a clue then do you.

Back to the question. I'm looking for the most faithful colour reproduction I can find for photographic use in a 30" monitor please.
 
Is this for home use?

There is no way in hell you need either of those monitors to edit photos at home.

Is this a look at me, i am buying 3k monitors thread?

lol :D

He runs Overclockers and has fairly recently bought a new ferrari, so i'm not sure he's going to miss £3k much, do you? :p
 
Are you serious?

Don't have a clue then do you.

Back to the question. I'm looking for the most faithful colour reproduction I can find for photographic use in a 30" monitor please.


Yeah i am serious. There is maybe 2-3 people on this whole forum who could answer your question on these monitors. Other than that, its a waste of time posting it, because you get the people like above, just saying buy the best etc.

If you could go smaller, say 24" you could get a few great monitors for 500 pounds.
 
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Yeah i am serious. There is maybe 2-3 people on this whole forum who could answer your question on these monitors. Other than that, its a waste of time posting it, because you get the people like above, just saying buy the best etc.

If you could go smaller, say 24" you could get a few great monitors for 500 pounds.
Fair enough which makes it all the more baffling that you would post an idiotic comment like "Is this a look at me, i am buying 3k monitors thread?".
 
Spie it maybe worth while looking around at some Photography forums as am guessing some the people that spends £1,000's on highend camera equipment will also likely use these highend monitors........
 
Is this for home use?

There is no way in hell you need either of those monitors to edit photos at home.

Is this a look at me, i am buying 3k monitors thread?

Is this a look at me I fail post?

He didn't ask if it was possible to edit photos on them. He asked what the best 30" would be. Perhaps you might want to do some homework before making such comments. The OP is not someone who is going to have problems affording the best 30" monitor on the market. Yes we can all edit photos using a £50 monitor from Tesco. But would you want to? He wants to know what the best 30" would be for accurate colour reproduction. You don't reply to someone in the motors forum asking for "the best coupe for £30,000" telling them they don't NEED that car do you? Pointless.
 
Hi Spie. It's a very high end requirement there and I've not personally tested either of those screens but will give what advise I can in case it helps. Generally NEC and LaCie's high end screens are a very good choice for colour critical work and those models look a good starting point for sure.

One thing I think is important to think about is what kind of colour space you will be working with from the screen. Will you be using extended colour spaces and colour space aware applications? Do you think you will need to regularly work outside the sRGB colour space (72% NTSC reference) and if so, how much? One main difference between the two is the NEC is 102% NTSC coverage and the LaCie is 111% NTSC (they quote 123% but I'm pretty sure thats based on a slightly different CIE reference and the 102% is comparable to 111% here). Will come onto those a bit more in a mo.



NEC 3090

this one features an H-IPS panel ( LG.Display A-TW H-IPS (LM300WQ5)) which is generally regarded as the best choice for colour enthusiasts. Many high end screens do stick to S-PVA panels though (like the LaCie for instance) but the reason many people prefer IPS is because it is free from the off-centre contrast shift you can spot from a VA panel. As you move your line of sight away from a central point on a VA panel, the contrast changes noticeably, and you get a characteristic 'black crush' as you return to a central point. You''ll see people talk about this on smaller models as well, but same principal applies at the high end as well. IPS technology does not show this and offers wider viewing angles which is important to colour work for sure.

Sometimes IPS panels don't offer that great a black depth. Without testing the screen I couldnt tell you for sure if this one was one of them or not, since some of the newer generation of IPS panels are very good in this regard (HP LP2475W, NEC EA231WMi for instance). Just keep in mind black depth may not quite match the LaCie's Samsung S-PVA panel

Some other points:

  • The screen features an Advanced True-Wide polarizer (A-TW) which helps maintain consistent black levels from angles. A nice feature which comes with some higher end IPS panels
  • Their XLight Pro and ColorComp technologies are useful for ensuring colour and luminance consistency across the screen
  • 12-bit LUT for improved and reliable colour gradients and grey scales. Also has a 36 bit gamma correction helping to do the same
  • Hardware LUT calibration which is very effective. Comes with NEC's Spectraview software which is very thorough and I've used this on the NEC LCD2490WUXi before with very pleasing and accurate results.
  • The screen features extended gamut CCFL backlighting rather than LED and so offers a colour space covering 102% of the NTSC reference. Back to my point about what kind of colour spaces and content do you think you will need?
  • The screen does come with a hood if you need it, but although it comes with the SpectraView software, there is no packaged colorimeter i dont think. You will almost certainly want one if you want the best results. Something to keep in mind. I'd recommend something like the X-rite i1 Display 2 / LaCie blue Eye Pro for some top results without going mad


LaCie 730

This model is S-PVA based (Samsung LTM300DS S-PVA panel) so fundamentally quite different to the NEC 3090. The S-PVA technology will still give you excellent results when it comes to black depth, colour accuracy and viewing angles, but does suffer from the off-centre contrast shift which I talked about above. Black depth should be very good though since S-PVA is well renowned for being good in this regard. Looking at the two specs i would expect the LaCie to beat the NEC here with a lower black point

  • RGB LED backlighting does offer an even wider colour space than W-CCFL with 111% NTSC coverage here. Whether you need that extra colour space is another question of course?
  • LED backlighting can help deliver uniform colours and reliable panel uniformity as a whole. This is one of the advantages of the technology. To be fair though, even though the NEC uses CCFL backlighting I would be astonished if uniformity was not spot on anyway at this kind of price and at such a high end.
  • There is a 14-bit gamma correction, not as much as the NEC but then to be fair I'm not sure if there would be a noticeable difference at this kind of level
  • You can get two versions, with and without the Blue Eye Pro colorimeter so might be worth looking at the model with if you decide on the LaCie
  • a hood is included as well
  • Theres no mention of hardware LUT calibration but I would hope it is included on the 730. It is useful for giving the absolute best calibration results


For what it's worth, I think if it were my money I would buy the NEC 3090. The A-TW H-IPS panel holds the edge for me in regards to viewing angles and use in colour critical work. The LaCie is still excellent, but I just think IPS > S-PVA for this use really. I'd definitely get a colorimeter though of some sort, probably the LaCie Blue Eye Pro (which can be used with the NEC for hardware LUT calibration still and with their SpectraView software). It also appears to be £1200 cheaper than the LaCie?!

hope that helps
 
Spie, I'm assuming you'll be posting pictures of whatever you buy and a short review/summary?

I'm interested in seeing some user feedback on such a high-end monitor.

Incidentally, I don't know much about them but Eizo are well regarded (as mentioned).
 
This thread is pure lolz, teaboy is fail.

In what way is he 'fail'?

His reply was spot on in my opinion.

Yeah i am serious. There is maybe 2-3 people on this whole forum who could answer your question on these monitors. Other than that, its a waste of time posting it, because you get the people like above, just saying buy the best etc.

How many on here actually have the highest end monitors for photo editing? 1 or 2 maybe and then they'll only advise the op to buy whichever they are using.
 
NEC is 102% NTSC coverage
Already that practically covers AdobeRGB which is one of the more common wider colour spaces used in image editing.
(and common printing colous space fits quite well to that)

And having used also S-PVA after CRT I would say IPS is only LCD type with about comparable viewing angles.
You can have fluorescent tube, lightbulb, candle, campfire or whatever as backlight but that can't change the properties of the particular LCD type.
Eizo apparently uses processing which moves 0,0,0 RGB value above point of S-PVA panel's total blackcrush where shades start blending into one but gamma shift shows also in brighter shades.



In what way is he 'fail'?
He sure failed to remember certain paragraph in forum rules.
 
Could I perhaps make a polite request for OCUK to start stocking proper colour accurate monitors? :D

To be fair to teaboy he is likely correct in his assumption of how few people this forum would actually know enough about these levels of monitors to properly advise Spie in his purchase. I consider myself to be quite well educated in digital post production and haven't even seen one of the monitors Spie has mentioned in a professional environment before.

Needless to say it extends WAY beyond the panel type and backlight. These may be specifications seperating the lower echelons of the market but many more important factors come into play at the top end. Proven by these screens using the same Samsung PVA and LG H-IPS panels found in much lesser screens yet producing an image far more accurate than anything cheaper.

I'm currently deciding between an Eizo CG241W or the newer CG243W for my new workhorse, but I certainly won't find the answers I'm looking for here. I recently stumbled across Colour Confidence and I certainly admire their no nonsense approach to describing and rating the monitors. They're not afraid to say over a grands worth of Eizo monitor still isn't the best you can get, and suggest what you should look at depending on your requirements and budget.
 
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