British man to be exectuted by Chinese

Those laws may be 'harsh' and 'unfair' by our standards, however that IS the law of that land. Break it and face punishment. Why should the Chinese show him any ounce of leaniency simply because he is British?

Who are we to judge how another nation conducts their affairs?
Dolph said:
If he was that incapable of looking after his own interests, then why was his family not taking better care of him?
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A) He isn't mentally ill;
or
B) The family don't give a **** about him;
or
C) Both the above.
 
Efour2 said:
unlucky he got caught.

Death penalty is harsh for this crime but it is China.
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Indonesia is the same.
Infact it wouldnt surprise me if a lot of the Asian Countries have the death penalty for it

There been a few Australians Locked up for life and executed for smuggling in the past few years
 
He’ll go into the Guinness Book of Records if they go ahead as he will become the first national from a European Union country to be executed in China for 50 years.
 
Johnnytoxic said:
I'm sure everyone would stop taking Heroin if it was legal.

How silly.
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The drug itself is much less of a problem than the culture that surrounds it, and in most countries, that culture is a result of the decision to make the drug illegal.
 
JBuk said:
Execution for drug smuggling seems a bit harsh

but.. he should've known the risks & possible consequences of his actions if he was caught in China , bit of an idiot tbh
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Most of the countries in South East Asia will execute you if you are caught smuggling large quantities of drugs, and 4KG of heroin is a massive quantity.

Singapore will kill you, Thialand will, Vietnam will, Indonesia will, Laos will, Malaysia will, China will, unsure on Korea's policy. They take their drug problems seriously (when you don't bribe the right people) I agree wholeheartedly with the concept. Problem is you only kill couriers, never suppliers or overlords.
 
Dolph said:
The drug itself is much less of a problem than the culture that surrounds it, and in most countries, that culture is a result of the decision to make the drug illegal.
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Making Heroin legal would increase the problem 10fold.

Smoking and Alcohol are bad for you and legal, yet nobody indulges in these activities do they.
 
Johnnytoxic said:
Making Heroin legal would increase the problem 10fold.

Smoking and Alcohol are bad for you and legal, yet nobody endulges in these activities do they.
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Seriously. Making it legal will fix purity variance which is a good thing...but heroin is far, far easier to overdose on than alcohol and how often do people overdo that one? :/
 
It's their country, and I suppose they don't have any oil we can steal, so let them run it how they want.
 
Johnnytoxic said:
Making Heroin legal would increase the problem 10fold.
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Making heroin legal would increase the criminal community associated with Heroin, drugs pushing, pimping, thieving and fencing and so on?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/if/4091585.stm
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/drugs/story/0,,780581,00.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327251.100-better-world-legalise-drugs.html

Citations provided, your turn.

Smoking and Alcohol are bad for you and legal, yet nobody indulges in these activities do they.
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Many, many recreational activities are bad for us, including things such as horseriding and hillwalking, at least statistically, indeed many of these things have worse impact rates than drug use (the cause of Professor Nutt's sacking was pointing out this fact).

Prohibition does not reduce drug use (see the new scientist link above), it is a failed, massively expensive and socially damaging policy.

That doesn't mean we should encourage people to take drugs, but that our current policy does not actually stop people, and has significant harmful side effects. We need to decide what our drugs policy is actually supposed to achieve, and then work to actually achieve it.
 
I don't think anyone should be executed for cocaine. TBH I don't even think it should be illegal.

However it is fair to say he likely knew the laws of the country and broke them. Just because the laws are very different, does that make it ok to intervene? If we were serious about human rights in other countries we could refuse to trade, but obviously we care about our economy more...
 
Tefal said:
Show me one oil contract awarded to the uk or America after the Iraq war then...
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I was being facetious. Besides, China has new Oil contracts with Iraq afaik. Agreed this isn't UK/USA, but are there definitely none?
 
This Side Up said:
Those laws may be 'harsh' and 'unfair' by our standards, however that IS the law of that land. Break it and face punishment. Why should the Chinese show him any ounce of leaniency simply because he is British?
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Because we ask them to would be a reason why they might show leniency. Diplomatically it makes sense to consider pleas for clemency even if they aren't followed always.

This Side Up said:
Who are we to judge how another nation conducts their affairs?
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Non-interventionism may be great in theory but in practice sometimes if you know something is wrong (and particularly where it concerns your citizens) then you cannot simply stand back and say "nuffin' to do with me guv". You have to make the appeal irrespective of whether you believe it will be heeded.

And while China's legal system has made vast strides in the past decade or so it is still not yet at a level where it can be considered one of the leading contenders for legal system of the year.

This Side Up said:
A) He isn't mentally ill;
or
B) The family don't give a **** about him;
or
C) Both the above.
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or
D) He is mentally ill but the family thought his condition was under control at the time therefore were more lax about what strictures they placed upon him.
or
E) Some other variation on the above.
 
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