Terrorism aboard flights

Robbo

Robbo

Robbo

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I was reading a comments board earlier on and there was a suggestion regarding the current state of affairs on air travel after that situation in America the other day.

I dont think its any real shock that a large amount of the air bombing based terror threats come from the extremist Muslim community, and while being extremist, would not really want to harm many of their fellow religious believers.

So someone suggested that Muslims (dependant on where they are travelling), should have their own assigned plane, to try and counteract the reasons given above.

The financial side of this is obviously a bit flawed but it made me think that maybe, that would make people safer and deter the extremists somewhat, as they would have trouble justifying (or maybe not) killing a large amount of their own people.

I am in no way racist, but I thought this was an interesting point and where it was posted had a lot of people agreeing and thinking this kind of system might be useful, and others were comparing it to black people sat at the back of the bus.

Muslims already want their own parts of towns, hospitals etc, so why not give them their own plane and make people a bit safer (perhaps), was the argument.

Just wanted to hear your thoughts on this as I thought it might make interesting discussion. :p
 
Apartheid has been proven not to work very well, and in actual fact a lot of the extremist muslims would have no problem killing other muslims.
 
it isnt commercially viable. and the average terrorist is so indoctrinated, he'll believe he is martyring them all to an afterlife of 70 virgins etc anyway
 
What a stupid idea,

Point 1, although a measure like this might in the very short term lower the numbers of people killed by terrorism in the long term it would be showcased by extremists as a reason to resent the west. This could lead to more terrorism.

Point 2, although it's deeply tragic the number of people killed by terrorism is fairly small. With the same resources that this measure would need the NHS could probably save ten times as many lives.
 
Amazing. All we hear around here is that "they" don't integrate, and now we want to segregate them because we're afraid of them.

The idea is retarded.
 
Hi I'm a terrorist, watch me circumvent this security measure

"Are you a Muslim?"
"No"
"Come aboard sir"
 
The idea is completely unworkable.

I prefer tight security and hope it worked.

I remember being in Barcelona airport in 1999 and when I went through the metal detector I set it off.

A Spanish cop with his feet up waved me through and I was wearing a 3/4 length leather jacket as well. I could have taken anything on that flight and I shudder to think about it.
 
while being extremist, would not really want to harm many of their fellow religious believers.
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There's the biggest flaw in that logic - a false predicate. Conclusions drawn from it are therefore false.

It's flawed in two ways:

i) To the kind of Muslim who'd happily kill themself in order to kill as many randomly chosen people as possible, a normal Muslim is often not seen as a fellow religious believer. In an extreme case, they might even view normal Muslims as heretics and thus want to kill them even more than they want to kill infidels.

ii) If a given Muslim terrorist hell-bent on slaughtering anyone available does regard a normal Muslim as a fellow religious believer, they'll regard them as also going to paradise when they die. So it's not really very bad to kill them as collateral damage. Doing them a favour, really.

There is also a moral flaw - is it fair to segegrate all Muslims because of the actions of some Muslims? I'd say it isn't.

Then there's a practical flaw - segregation doesn't help. It's a fertile breeding ground for discontent, with excellent reason. Muslim terrorist cells are able to recruit Muslims living in privileged circumstances in a wealthy society. How much easier would it be for them if all Muslims were targetted by segregation?

Logically wrong, morally wrong, practically wrong. Just plain wrong.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
The idea is completely unworkable.

I prefer tight security and hope it worked.

I remember being in Barcelona airport in 1999 and when I went through the metal detector I set it off.

A Spanish cop with his feet up waved me through and I was wearing a 3/4 length leather jacket as well. I could have taken anything on that flight and I shudder to think about it.
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And that is the problem, how many of us has just ignored something at work, let it be, its so easy. Granted the Airport staff in this country do amazing job but worldwide, who knows.
 
I don't know why, but I'd feel safer flying a plane that doesn't have Muslims onboard.

Perhaps I've just been led by the media, but that old chestnut 'Not all muslims are suicide bombers but all suicide bombers are muslims' seems to come to mind. While I don't like to attack the religion as a whole - I'm generally a very tolerant person - it should be clear that some muslims have very extreme beliefs and are prepared to take the lives of others to fulfil said beliefs.

To look at the OPs question in a different light, is it safer to fly on a plane without Muslims?
 
Don't forget there are millions of white, black, asian etc. muslims in the world. Not just from the middle east. People seem to mix up middle east ethinticity with being a muslim. The Islamic religion is open to people from every race, so anyone who takes their views in that religion one step further can be an extremeist and of any colour.

Really you're talking about racial segregation, because you likely wouldn't care were a white man from britain, who chose islamic beliefs in later life, to be on the plane.

Either way, nobody would be prepared to pay for this. Not the airlines, not the goverment.
 
It's a pretty silly idea for most of the reasons mentioned above.

There is also the minor matter of the fact that there are multiple sects of Islam, which can hate each other as much as any of the Christian sects might hate each other (think NI, and various European wars), not to mention that even the sort of people that do this thing aren't by the definition a "good Muslim" as seen by the majority of the Muslims*, any more than a Pro Life Christian extremist who kills someone who works/is near an Abortion Clinic is a "good Christian" as seen by most of the rest of the Christians.

The one the other day had been reported (if the news is to be beleived), as being a potentially serious threat by his own father, presumably also a Muslim...



*Heck many of the Extremists certainly don't live the life of a Good Muslim, iirc the 7/7 bombers drank, had sex out of marrage etc which is something no good Muslim would do, if following Islamic laws/teachings.
 
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