British man to be exectuted by Chinese

Chimerical said:
Nonsense. Heroin should be legal in the first place and that 4KG will just be replaced by another batch from someone else.

You can't stop supply when there is demand. Maybe the Chinese Government should stop selling Mugabe guns in return for ivory if they're so moral and concerned about 'suffering' families.

Utter hypocrisy.
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Why's it nonsense? In Australia about ten years ago a "batch" of chinese heroin killed a considerable amount of addicts due to overdose, how can you say that this wouldn't of done the same thing?

Just because a batch will be replaced by another doesn't take away from the fact that this particular batch being stopped hasn't saved lives.

I've changed the question mark to a full stop to show you weren't actually asking a question at the end but making a statement. ;)

As for morals it's ok to smuggle 4kg of potentially fatal drugs out of a country is it? Morality is often overlooked in just about every country in the world, at least the Chinese are doing something quite hard hitting about stopping my children from being put in a position where they may come face to face with a predatory heroin addict who isn't satisfied with destroying his/her own life but feels it necessary to drag someone else down to their level. How can you possibly justify your statement of legalising heroin? Unless of course you yourself are a heroin addict.
 
Dolph said:
I was commenting generally, it wasn't you who originally brought it up as a fact because the BBC quoted it :)
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No, I wouldn't be that daft.

Thought I'd give you the source as the person who did post it didn't seem to supply the link.
 
Why's it nonsense? In Australia about ten years ago a "batch" of chinese heroin killed a considerable amount of addicts due to overdose, how can you say that this wouldn't of done the same thing?
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The deaths can probably be attributed to an adulterant added to the heroin or it was far stronger than most users were used to. Both of these are consquences of drug use being pushed underground; where dealers can sell drugs of any quality and cut with any number of unsafe (more so than the drug itself) compounds.

Morality is often overlooked in just about every country in the world, at least the Chinese are doing something quite hard hitting about stopping my children from being put in a position where they may come face to face with a predatory heroin addict who isn't satisfied with destroying his/her own life but feels it necessary to drag someone else down to their level.
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It's people who chose to take drugs, they are, in most cases, not forced to take them by "predatory" drug dealers. Your children are far more likely to be given drugs by a friend than some evil lurking heroin dealer.

How can you possibly justify your statement of legalising heroin? Unless of course you yourself are a heroin addict.
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Not at all. Clearly, current drug laws aren't working - if anything they're making things worse.

Drug use hasn't subsided and it's effects can be seen in most cities. The money wasted on this counter-productive "War on Drugs" could have been spent on addressing the reasons people fall into drug dependency. Our current policies only enrich the dodgy dealers and the cartels that supply the drugs.
 
Ummm, drug dealer get caught, gets punished according to the laws of the country.

If as the family say, he was acting out a fantasy and they knew he had mental problems, why did they let him go in the first place?

I thought they shot you anyway and then sent the bill for the bullet to the deceased mans family? Or is that another country?

Sorry if it sounds harsh, but wiping aside all the bull in this thread examining the wrongs/rights/morals of drugs and their effects, man did bad, got punished. I haven't got a problem with it. Its not as if the law was changed retrospectively like Gary Mckinnon so that he could be punished.
 
No sympathy from me.

That's the law over there. They have the death penalty and they don't show leniency for disabilities. Not a lot anyone can do.
 
wozencl said:
The deaths can probably be attributed to an adulterant added to the heroin or it was far stronger than most users were used to. Both of these are consquences of drug use being pushed underground; where dealers can sell drugs of any quality and cut with any number of unsafe (more so than the drug itself) compounds.
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It turned out to be the strength, as I said there was a potential that this particular "batch" could do the same thing. I understand the reason it happened, that wasn't my point, this fella dies which in turn potentially saves some lives.

wozencl said:
It's people who chose to take drugs, they are, in most cases, not forced to take them by "predatory" drug dealers. Your children are far more likely to be given drugs by a friend than some evil lurking heroin dealer.
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More often than not a heroin users journey starts with mild drugs such as pot, the predatory junkie is someone that they meet through having to obtain pot from underground sources, not their friends. If the milder more socially acceptable drugs were legalised then you would stand a massively reduced chance of ever coming into contact with a heroin user. A heroin addict is likely to want to drag someone down to their level, it makes them feel better about being in a hopeless situation and they can feed their habit from the naivety of the fledgling user. This happens a lot to weak minded people.

wozencl said:
Not at all. Clearly, current drug laws aren't working - if anything they're making things worse.

Drug use hasn't subsided and it's effects can be seen in most cities. The money wasted on this counter-productive "War on Drugs" could have been spent on addressing the reasons people fall into drug dependency. Our current policies only enrich the dodgy dealers and the cartels that supply the drugs.
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See above. Heroin isn't something that you want legal and freely available, however you can stop the ability for users and sellers to introduce people to heroin.
 
I'd hope anyone close to me would be more sensible.

As far as I'm concerned, when I travel (and I travel pretty often), I always respect the laws of whatever country I'm in. Doesn't matter if they're laws are stupid/draconian in my view, I'm a guest so I follow the rules.

Not much sympathy for the guy tbh.
 
OK then put yourself in the same situation... due to mental illness or otherwise you find yourself sitting on deathrow for a crime you didn't completely knowingly commit (possibly).

Despite the mental illness (if its real) he is in other respects an adult and theres a limit to how far the family can and can't direct his actions unless hes done something that gets him registered as needing care... and even then its not easy.


I think at the end of the day the situation hes become silly - even tho I have no problem with them executing him if he really is a bad person - and needs to be brought to an objective arbitration.
 
I reckon all this guff about him being mentally ill is a load of crap anyway. It's nothing more than a cynical and pathetic lie by his family to try and get him some leniency.

T-minus 7:40 and counting.
 
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