American Beauty

SkeeterUK · 29 Dec 2009 at 00:57

Well it is a pedo film since the girl the bloke likes is suppose to be underage in the film.

Barks · 29 Dec 2009 at 01:03

Hounddog is a paedo film. By definition American Beauty is not. You're saying that because in this country their relationship would be illegal, that isn't to say that it is pedophiliac or in any way abnormal.

2StepSteve · 29 Dec 2009 at 02:23

It is a good film perhaps a tad over hyped.

The piece from the musical score from it has been used to death. Even the BBC in house musicians are at it! I noticed a couple of weeks ago a documentary with the exact same sounds just slightly reworked, can't stand it any more.

snowdog · 29 Dec 2009 at 16:28

SkeeterPSA said:
Well it is a pedo film since the girl the bloke likes is suppose to be underage in the film.

So ? That isn't the definition of pedophilia ( liking an underage girl)...

Are you on about Wes Bentley ? Because he is less than 4 years older than her, so even by law there's nothing wrong with it.
Edit: Hell, she was at least 16, that's legal too here.

Gadge · 29 Dec 2009 at 16:31

Ziggy said:
Thoughts on this biotch?

Love it and love the soundtrack.

DB_SamX · 29 Dec 2009 at 16:36

A must-watch.

Vonhelmet · 29 Dec 2009 at 16:56

It's not paedophilia. At worst, it's ephebophilia. However, I doubt those of you throwing the paedo word around even know how to say that, let alone know how it's different.

Also, Thora Birch was indeed only 16, but her parents gave permission and were on-set during filming to ensure everything was above board.

Cosimo · 29 Dec 2009 at 17:02

Evangelion said:
Mide life crisis + neighbour's daughter + gay guy. Fun for all the family.

Yup, a good family film.

Calabi · 29 Dec 2009 at 17:37

It could have been worse the original idea was for him to sleep with her, but those in the know put that on the kibosh.

Whos gay in it, I dont remember any gays?

whitecrook · 29 Dec 2009 at 21:07

Calabi said:
Whos gay in it, I dont remember any gays?

Holy mother of god. Are you sure you've watched it?

Sankari · 29 Dec 2009 at 21:19

Calabi said:
It could have been worse the original idea was for him to sleep with her, but those in the know put that on the kibosh.

Whos gay in it, I dont remember any gays?

Dude, there's so many gays it's practically Hamstead Heath. :rolleyes:

There's the gay guy with the son who he thinks is gay because he sees him with his neighbour a lot :confused:

and the son actually ADMITS it so the gay guy beats him up :confused:

and then there's the neighbour who he also suspects of being gay so he tries to kiss him but the neighbour say no or something so he gets upset :confused:

and the daughter of the neighbour is "friends"

confused

with the daughter of the other guy but their relationship starts to break down as the non-gay guy takes an interest in the gay guy's daughter (denial?) :confused:

and the wife has an affair with some guy but the affair ends because he's scared they'll be found out or something (I think we can spot the subtext there) :confused:

and the dad gets murdered and it's all about incest taboos. :confused:

Yeah, so basically there's one gay guy.

Jokester · 29 Dec 2009 at 21:23

Evangelion said:
Dude, there's so many gays it's practically Hamstead Heath.

There's the gay guy with the son who he thinks is gay because he sees him with his neighbour a lot and the son actually ADMITS it so the gay guy beats him up and then there's the neighbour who he also suspects of being gay so he tries to kiss him but the neighbour say no or something so he gets upset and the daughter of the neighbour is "friends" confused with the daughter of the other guy but their relationship starts to break down as the non-gay guy takes an interest in the gay guy's daughter (denial?) and the wife has an affair with some guy but the affair ends because he's scared they'll be found out or something (I think we can spot the subtext there) and the dad gets murdered and it's all about incest taboos.

Yeah, so basically there's one gay guy.

You forgot about Scott Bakula and his boyfriend

Sankari · 29 Dec 2009 at 21:26

Jokester said:
You forgot about Scott Bakula and his boyfriend

Oh yeah!

Jim Olmeyer: And this is my partner Jim.
Jim "JB" Berkely: Jim Berkely, but people call me J.B.
Colonel Frank Fitts: Ah, let's just cut to it, what are you selling?
Jim Olmeyer: Nothing, we just wanted to welcome you to the neighborhood.
Colonel Frank Fitts: You said you're partners, so, uh what's your business?
Jim Olmeyer: Well, he's a tax attorney.
Jim "JB" Berkely: And he's an anesthesiologist.

To be honest, it's basically a gay movie.

Calabi · 29 Dec 2009 at 22:41

Evangelion said:
Oh yeah!

Jim Olmeyer: And this is my partner Jim.
Jim "JB" Berkely: Jim Berkely, but people call me J.B.
Colonel Frank Fitts: Ah, let's just cut to it, what are you selling?
Jim Olmeyer: Nothing, we just wanted to welcome you to the neighborhood.
Colonel Frank Fitts: You said you're partners, so, uh what's your business?
Jim Olmeyer: Well, he's a tax attorney.
Jim "JB" Berkely: And he's an anesthesiologist.

To be honest, it's basically a gay movie.

I remember now, its only two confirmed gays, the rest is questionable.

Begbie · 29 Dec 2009 at 22:51

snowdog said:
Exactly, as long as they are sexually mature I will never agree to someone saying someone's ''pedo''.

Yep..........thats what I meant

Sankari · 30 Dec 2009 at 00:11

Calabi said:
I remember now, its only two confirmed gays, the rest is questionable.

No there's three, because the homophobic dad is gay too. That's the whole point.

snowdog · 30 Dec 2009 at 00:19

Evangelion said:
No there's three, because the homophobic dad is gay too. That's the whole point.

I didn't think so, what did he do again that makes him gay ? I thought he only kissed him at the end to feel what it's like ( because he thinks his son is) not because it's gay.

Sankari · 30 Dec 2009 at 00:22

snowdog said:
I didn't think so, what did he do again that makes him gay ? I thought he only kissed him at the end to feel what it's like ( because he thinks his son is) not because it's gay.

He kissed him because he was genuinely attracted to him. The dad is a suppressed homosexual who can't reconcile himself to his sexuality and deals with his inner conflict by taking it out on his son, whom he believes to be gay. The kiss is an attempt to act out his inner feelings, but of course he chooses the wrong time, the wrong place and the wrong guy.

snowdog · 30 Dec 2009 at 00:32

I failed to notice that when I watched the film a while ago.

How can one be gay and homophobic at the same time though :confused:

?
Was his son his actual son ? I mean wouldn't that make him straight ( or at least bi) ? It's hard to keep a stiffy if you're gay while ****** the mother ?

Sankari · 30 Dec 2009 at 00:43

snowdog said:
I failed to notice that when I watched the film a while ago.

How can one be gay and homophobic at the same time though ?

It's not uncommon. Self loathing occurs when a person cannot reconcile themselves to a certain personal trait, often as a result of environmental conditioning. A gay man raised in a strict conservative household who had been taught to hate gays would naturally become conflicted at the emergence of his own homosexual feelings.

Was his son his actual son ? I mean wouldn't that make him straight ( or at least bi) ? It's hard to keep a stiffy if you're gay while ****** the mother ?

Yes his son was his actual son. I don't claim to understand how this works, but it does happen. I once had a work colleague with an ex-wife and two children (TWO CHILDREN!) He was gayer than Graham Norton.