Islamic protest march planned for Wootton Basset

Fenris said:
Guys, if you want to debate the literal translations and possible interpretations of the bible and the quran, create a thread for it because at the moment this thread has turned into nothing but a willy waving contest between the two of you.
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I've pretty much given up on him as a nutter anyway. He says one thing and then changes it to the opposite when questioned or just calls me a liar and states I made it all up, even though it was his statement in the first place. Crazy.
 
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Gaidin109 said:
Its your strawman mate. You say one thing but mean another. The Abrahmic quote is a good example of how you state something you later deny.
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No, it isn't. It's a good example of your making something up, claiming I said it and then continuing to do so for the purposes of smearing me.

You realise I am correct and you either say I am making it up, when the quote's are yours not mine, or you completely change your point of view without admitting you were wrong. You are mental. How can you have a sensible debate when you cant decide what you said or what you think.
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I will spell it out very clearly, just in case anyone else who is reading this thread thinks your statements have any truth in them. I'll highlight what I said and what you said, because you seem to have trouble telling them apart.

You said that you don't think that any religion supports extremism. [post 369]

I said that I think that most, if not all, religions do and the the Abrahamic religions (that's Judaism, Christianity and Islam) particularly so. [post 376]

You then wrongly claimed I had said that Judaism and Christianity are more liable to extremism than Islam, then went on to use your own completely false statement to claim that I was contradicting myself and then to claim that it proved I don't know what I'm talking about. [post 378]

So, as usual, you made something up, attributed it to me and then used it to run of on some wild accusations as if it meant anything.

The only new thing is that you briefly pretended to ask me what my opinion was before you made up your own opinion and pretended it was mine.

All these posts are recorded.

I have enough patience to do this every time you make something up and falsely attribute it to me, and the fact that all these posts are recorded means that I can prove it every time. I will continue to do so unless the mods decide enough is enough and lock the thread.
 
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Gaidin109 said:
I've pretty much given up on him as a nutter anyway. He says one thing and then changes it to the opposite when questioned or just calls me a liar and states I made it all up, even though it was his statement in the first place. Crazy.
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I haven't changed anything, as anyone who has the patience to trawl back through the posts can verify. You have repeatedly made statements, claimed they were mine and sometimes even expected me to back your statements up. Maybe you even believe that I've written the things that you've written. Maybe you're trolling me. Maybe you're deliberately smearing me. It's annoying either way, so you are having some success.
 
I m not a racist person but this is NOT their country how dare they do such a thing :mad: if they don't like it they can bugger off back to were they came from rather than casuing trouble at a event that is supposed to be a morn full occasion, they have no respect for the dead or the people who fight for "our" country and now theirs

yes they do have the right to protest agsint a war but not there, there is a time and a place that is not it, and they should think about the Afghanistan terrorists killing their own people before us
 
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Angilion said:
No, it isn't. It's a good example of your making something up, claiming I said it and then continuing to do so for the purposes of smearing me.



I will spell it out very clearly, just in case anyone else who is reading this thread thinks your statements have any truth in them. I'll highlight what I said and what you said, because you seem to have trouble telling them apart.

You said that you don't think that any religion supports extremism.

I said that I think that most, if not all, religions do and the the Abrahamic religions (that's Judaism, Christianity and Islam) particularly so.

You then wrongly claimed I had said that Judaism and Christianity are more liable to extremism than Islam, then went on to use your own completely false statement to claim that I was contradicting myself and then to claim that it proved I don't know what I'm talking about.

So, as usual, you made something up, attributed it to me and then used it to run of on some wild accusations as if it meant anything.

The only new thing is that you briefly pretended to ask me what my opinion was before you made up your own opinion and pretended it was mine.

All these posts are recorded.

I have enough patience to do this every time you make something up and falsely attribute it to me, and the fact that all these posts are recorded means that I can prove it every time. I will continue to do so unless the mods decide enough is enough and lock the thread.
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Will you continue to say that Leviticus 20:13 translates as
"And with a man you shall not lay lyings of a woman" as well.

I misunderstood you as regard the Abrahamic religions, I apologise. But you keep changing your mind, Britain was Theocratic or close to it and so on. It also does not get away from the bigotry of your earlier posts. But as you say you can go on spewing rubbish all day so carry on without me, if it makes you happy then youre right and I'm wrong. Jeez. If you want to discuss the literal meaning of the Bible, Quran or Torah or any holy text then I've started a thread over in speakers corner. Lets keep it civil though.
 
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AMG said:
I m not a racist person but this is NOT their country how dare they do such a thing :mad: if they don't like it they can bugger off back to were they came from rather than casuing trouble at a event that is supposed to be a morn full occasion, they have no respect for the dead or the people who fight for "our" country and now theirs
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And if they are a white "British" convert?
 
its only the onces that are so blind and stupid I have problems with, particularly when it comes to respect for the armed forces, particularly the dead.
 
okay groups :p then, at this point I gotta be very careful.

I do stress I wouldn't care if they did their little protest out side parliament, that would be the right place to do it. But not at well a funeral like event pretty much. I m not exactly with this war with Afghanistan ethoir.
 
I see. No I agree, outside Parliament or in London at the very least. I dont support the reasons why we are at war in Afghanistan either, although I do support the troops who have to fight over there.
 
Gaidin109 said:
Will you continue to say that Leviticus 20:13 translates as
"And with a man you shall not lay lyings of a woman" as well.
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I'm not sure. I'm inclined to disbelieve anything you say about anything as I know you aren't a trustworthy source, but I'm no longer sure.

I misunderstood you as regard the Abrahamic religions, I apologise.
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Well bugger me, that's a surprise. There's no need to apologise for a misunderstanding. For the string of insults stemming from a completely implausible interpretation you created from your misunderstanding and attributed to me, yes. For misunderstanding, no.

But you keep changing your mind, Britain was Theocratic or close to it
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Given the degree of power the Christian church had back then, I think it was close to a theocracy. The extent to which the Christian church permeated every aspect of life is very surprising when you look into it. Even if you just look at a pre-Death map of a city and count the number of churches, you get an idea. Although I am talking about England. I think it was the same in the other British countries, but I don't know enough about their history to be completely sure.

So no, I have not changed my mind.

and so on.
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You've got one partial (the literal translation), in which I've changed my mind from sure to unsure. That's it. The contradictions you refer to are between my position and your incorrect statements about my position, as with the Abrahamic religions thing.

It also does not get away from the bigotry of your earlier posts.
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Which, like the insults you ran away with as a result of your own misinterpretation of my post about Abrahamic religions, was all in your head.

But as you say you can go on spewing rubbish all day so carry on without me, if it makes you happy then youre right and I'm wrong. Jeez.
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I don't care about that. I just care about you making statements and claiming they're mine when they aren't.
 
Tefal said:
What happened to all that our country and their country and sending them back malarkey then?
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I dont understand on where we are supposed to send people who are born here, those who can have visa's revoked or who break the law and are other nationalities, yes deport them. British born fanatics we got to keep, we dont have a choice.
 
Tefal said:
What happened to all that our country and their country and sending them back malarkey then?
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my anger, and the fact they are so blind and stupid.. but thinking about it with out that particular group it would be better, also to cause tension you know its just got trouble written all over it, enough said really. Not saying that one at parliament would be any better, but a better place to do it.

I m sorry but I do respect the forces a lot and the dead and that makes my blood boil over, considering they themselves should have loads of respect for them. Mainly due to their religion single mindedness these are the trouble makers, not talking about the rest of the religion.

yes again I am one for country, I say it again I don't suppor the war but I do support the armed service, I think its more Americas fight tbh how loosely I followed the war anyway
 
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Gaidin109 said:
I see. No I agree, outside Parliament or in London at the very least. I dont support the reasons why we are at war in Afghanistan either, although I do support the troops who have to fight over there.
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Much the same point of view here, although I'm not sure if people are allowed to protest outside Parliament any more.

The thing is, they must know that a small demo in London does nothing. A big demo in London doesn't really do anything. It's not like the government cares.

There's also a practical side to the war - when was the last time any foreign (to Afghanistan) military won a war in Afghanistan? It appears impossible without more troops than anyone can afford to send, staying there for many years.
 
Angilion said:
I'm not sure. I'm inclined to disbelieve anything you say about anything as I know you aren't a trustworthy source, but I'm no longer sure.



Well bugger me, that's a surprise. There's no need to apologise for a misunderstanding. For the string of insults stemming from a completely implausible interpretation you created from your misunderstanding and attributed to me, yes. For misunderstanding, no.



Given the degree of power the Christian church had back then, I think it was close to a theocracy. The extent to which the Christian church permeated every aspect of life is very surprising when you look into it. Even if you just look at a pre-Death map of a city and count the number of churches, you get an idea. Although I am talking about England. I think it was the same in the other British countries, but I don't know enough about their history to be completely sure.

So no, I have not changed my mind.



You've got one partial (the literal translation), in which I've changed my mind from sure to unsure. That's it. The contradictions you refer to are between my position and your incorrect statements about my position, as with the Abrahamic religions thing.



Which, like the insults you ran away with as a result of your own misinterpretation of my post about Abrahamic religions, was all in your head.



I don't care about that. I just care about you making statements and claiming they're mine when they aren't.
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No you made some statements that could be construed as bigoted, I made that clear and you decided to call me a liar instead of defending those statements, in fact you refused to defend them thinking insulting me was the better track and you have continued to do so. You called me a liar about the translation of Leviticus, of which you are now unsure but refuse to apologise, instead you insult me further. At least I had the good grace to admit my mistake with the Abrahamic quote, it is a shame that your hubris will not allow you to do the same.
 
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Gaidin109 said:
No you made some statements that could be construed as bigoted, I made that clear and you decided to call me a liar instead of defending those statements
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Because they were statements you made and then said I'd made.

in fact you refused to defend them thinking insulting me was the better track and you have continued to do so.
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I have refused to defend your statements. Why on earth should I? They're your statements, not mine. You defend them. And yes, I have insulted you and continued to do so every time you made a statement, claimed I had made it and insulted me.

You called me a liar about the translation of Leviticus,
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Where?

of which you are now unsure but refuse to apologise,
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I don't think being unsure is reason to apologise.

instead you insult me further.
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By saying that I think you're not a trustworthy source? Yes, I did that. Why on earth would I regard you as a trustworthy source after all this?

At least I had the good grace to admit my mistake with the Abrahamic quote, it is a shame that your hubris will not allow you to do the same.
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Or maybe it's because I'm not making things up and attributing them to you, so I don't have any reason to do the same as you have done.
 
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