Why are we now **** in snow?

I might pick up a pair of snow tyres in the summer. They're about £40 in the size the Manta takes, I can just put them on my spare steel wheels that fit both my car and Kate's Golf. Handy to have in the garage.
 
Just get some winter tyres instead, i'm going to run some on the front next week, they work in temperatures under 6 celcius, best to think of them as cold weather tyres really.
 
Main things are:
Tread pattern
Compound
Operating temperature

Normal summer tyre compounds can't cope very well below 6 or 7 celcius, winter tyres are designed to work at these lower temps, be it in the dry / wet / snow / ice, thinking about it you could run these for 3 - 4 months of the year.

If the ones i get are any good i will stick some on the back as well.
 
SoliD said:
Ye but you have to remember that a lot of cars these days have the fogs on the same switch, so you have to put the front fogs on before you put the rear fogs on, stupid I know but thats car design for you!
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I love my lights.

I can turn my front fogs on if one of 2 conditions are met:
-The dipped beams are on (never needed fogs like this).
-The sidelights and rear-fog light is on (they way I've actually used them, in fog).

The interior light will stay on after the doors close for 20 seconds or until I turn the ignition on. They will also turn off with the doors open after 30 minutes.

When the car is off, the lights are off.

It's all just right, except the lighting stork on the column, without practice you can accidentally turn off all the lights when you go for dipped/main beams. :D
 
I fail to really see a need for that, the front fogs are mounted so low and by design and definition should cause limited defraction in fog or any other situation (hence the usage), you should have no need to turn your rear fog on yet not require the fronts.

The reason you have to turn the front fogs on before the rear is because if you have someone behind you in a line of traffic you don't dazzle with your rear lights yet get to keep using the fronts.
 
It's not use of the fronts without the rears that we want, it's the use of the rear without the front.

You only need front fogs when dipped beams cause too much glare, so you run slowly with sidelights and front fogs lighting about 15m in front of you without causing glare. Doing this you do need the rear fog.

But I've driven in plenty of conditions where the dipped beams cause no glare at all, but visibility is poor, so I need the rear fog light on, but don't want to dazzle oncoming cars with the front fogs.
 
The amount of times i see people using Rear Fogs when it's completely unneccessary yet would be advisable to use the fronts is beyond me :/
 
I managed to get the Manta a whole 20 foot out the garage before I was defeated by a gentle slope, and 6 inches of icy snow. Gonna have to get busy with the shovel as I hand back the keys for that house on sat :s
The van on the other hand is a little gem, been hooning about all over the place, handbraking round sharp turns :D
 
BigglesPiP said:
It's not use of the fronts without the rears that we want, it's the use of the rear without the front.

You only need front fogs when dipped beams cause too much glare, so you run slowly with sidelights and front fogs lighting about 15m in front of you without causing glare. Doing this you do need the rear fog.

But I've driven in plenty of conditions where the dipped beams cause no glare at all, but visibility is poor, so I need the rear fog light on, but don't want to dazzle oncoming cars with the front fogs.
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Yes i understand you want to use the rear foglight without the fronts on, but i fail to appreciate a situation that this would be any use, in a foggy situation running front foglights you shouldn't be blinding oncomming drivers anyways.

Is it even legal to drive with your sidelights on a fogs? I've driven lots in many types of weather in several countrys and never come across a situation that the fog is so bad that i'd even think about using sidelights and foglights, if the weather is that bad you should be slowing right down and using dipped beams and front fogs.
 
The problem with front fogs is they are mostly just a bulb and a reflector, there's no directionality like there is with a dipped beam, so they can dazzle other drivers.

By the time I'm using front fogs and just sidelights, it so foggy that the dipped beams cause a white out. The fog lights only light the road for a few metres, so I'm down to about 20mph b y this point.

Since the front fogs only light a few metres they are useless in any other circumstance. But the rear fog is useful in monsoon heavy rain, and fog which isn't too thick for dipped beams to work.
 
LSPIII said:
Which gets me to a main road... What then? Not all of us have a destination that's right off a main road. All the side roads off my road are impassable. The same would go for my office car park. Why bother?

That and I'm ill :p
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I live almost on top of a hill in a network of side roads that are never gritted. The hill has a fairly large increase in gradient partway up, so people are fooled by the relatively small gradient further down and get stuck at the increase. You can make it in a suitable car or with suitable tires, but many people have neither. There's a parade of little cars failing to get up it. Front wheels doing 30, rear wheels doing 4,3,2,1, stop. It must be worrying having to slither your car into a side road to get off the hill.

The pavements are worse. I can walk into work, but it's been bloody unpleasant recently. The pavement is ice. I could skate down it, and I mean that literally. Elderly people near me are effectively housebound because they daren't risk it.
 
my housemate's poverty spec P reg civic rolled up the hill to our house without issue

my focus... didnt. had to get my mate round in a hilux to tow me up it.

he rolls on 14in steels with poverty tyres. i roll on 16s with falken fk-452s
 
I know what you mean, Because cars are generally parked in the same spot all the time by the side of the road, parts of the road are now 2-3 inches higher than the parked cars. Since it is now lumpy ice, then we have a major problem. I find it very difficult to get off the camber on the road when its that bad. My tyres are 205/55/R16 and they are really really bad in the snow!
 
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