The tory answer to the labour ruin.
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Anyone up for a coup? Dismantle parliament, replace it with...me! I'll do it. I'll so lead you all into a golden age. You know you want it. Plus, I'll reduce the prices on all 5970s to £2.50. Just for you guys. <3
But in all seriousness, I don't really have much faith in the political system as a whole. There's a song called President Gas by the Psychedelic Furs:
you have to have a party
when you're in a state like this
you can really move it all
you have to vote and change
you have to get right out of it
like out of all this mess
you'll say yeah to anything
if you believe all this but
don't cry, don't do anything
no lies, back in the government
no tears, party time is here again
president gas is up for president
line up, put your kisses down
say yeah, say yes again
stand up, there's a head count
president gas on everything but roller skates
it's sick the price of medicine
stand up, we'll put you on your feet again
open up your eyes
just to check that your asleep again
president gas is president gas again
he comes in from the left sometimes
he comes in from the right
it's so heavily advertised that he wants you and i
it's a real cowboy set, electric company
every day is happy days
it's hell without the sin, but
don't cry, don't do anything
no lies, back in the government
no tears, party time is here again
president gas is up for president
line up, put your kisses down
say yeah, say yes again
stand up, there's a head count
president gas on everything but roller skates
it's sick the price of medicine
stand up, we'll put you on your feet again
open up your eyes just to check that your asleep again
president gas is president gas again
president gas
oh, president gas
whoa, president gas
oh, president gas
whoa, president gas
oh, president gas
whoa, president gas
=====
Essentially, whoever you vote for, the Government is always going to win.
It's all the same rubbish.
But in all seriousness, I don't really have much faith in the political system as a whole. There's a song called President Gas by the Psychedelic Furs:
you have to have a party
when you're in a state like this
you can really move it all
you have to vote and change
you have to get right out of it
like out of all this mess
you'll say yeah to anything
if you believe all this but
don't cry, don't do anything
no lies, back in the government
no tears, party time is here again
president gas is up for president
line up, put your kisses down
say yeah, say yes again
stand up, there's a head count
president gas on everything but roller skates
it's sick the price of medicine
stand up, we'll put you on your feet again
open up your eyes
just to check that your asleep again
president gas is president gas again
he comes in from the left sometimes
he comes in from the right
it's so heavily advertised that he wants you and i
it's a real cowboy set, electric company
every day is happy days
it's hell without the sin, but
don't cry, don't do anything
no lies, back in the government
no tears, party time is here again
president gas is up for president
line up, put your kisses down
say yeah, say yes again
stand up, there's a head count
president gas on everything but roller skates
it's sick the price of medicine
stand up, we'll put you on your feet again
open up your eyes just to check that your asleep again
president gas is president gas again
president gas
oh, president gas
whoa, president gas
oh, president gas
whoa, president gas
oh, president gas
whoa, president gas
=====
Essentially, whoever you vote for, the Government is always going to win.
It's all the same rubbish.
Anyone up for a coup? Dismantle parliament, replace it with...me! I'll do it. I'll so lead you all into a golden age. You know you want it. Plus, I'll reduce the prices on all 5970s to £2.50. Just for you guys. <3
But in all seriousness, I don't really have much faith in the political system as a whole. There's a song called President Gas by the Psychedelic Furs:
you have to have a party
when you're in a state like this
you can really move it all
you have to vote and change
you have to get right out of it
like out of all this mess
you'll say yeah to anything
if you believe all this but
don't cry, don't do anything
no lies, back in the government
no tears, party time is here again
president gas is up for president
line up, put your kisses down
say yeah, say yes again
stand up, there's a head count
president gas on everything but roller skates
it's sick the price of medicine
stand up, we'll put you on your feet again
open up your eyes
just to check that your asleep again
president gas is president gas again
he comes in from the left sometimes
he comes in from the right
it's so heavily advertised that he wants you and i
it's a real cowboy set, electric company
every day is happy days
it's hell without the sin, but
don't cry, don't do anything
no lies, back in the government
no tears, party time is here again
president gas is up for president
line up, put your kisses down
say yeah, say yes again
stand up, there's a head count
president gas on everything but roller skates
it's sick the price of medicine
stand up, we'll put you on your feet again
open up your eyes just to check that your asleep again
president gas is president gas again
president gas
oh, president gas
whoa, president gas
oh, president gas
whoa, president gas
oh, president gas
whoa, president gas
=====
Essentially, whoever you vote for, the Government is always going to win.
Tom the tune of?
Could you not say the country is as it is because of the government?
You know we demand a lot more than that, even whitevan man sun readers.
How do you mean 'mob'? Society?
There's a saying that people get the government that they deserve, and it's sadly rather true of democracy. People are too concerned with what will benefit them, rather than what will benefit society as a whole. The problem is not a mob, as such, but a mob of individuals.
OK, perhaps I've missed something here, but can anyone give me an example of the Tories reducing the size of government when they've been in power? Because I honestly can't remember seeing that at any stage.
Dolph defines "mob" as "anyone who is not Dolph."
Dolph defines "mob" as "anyone who is not Dolph."
Whether they'll reduce it remains to be seen, but I certainly doubt they'd swell the public sector as grossly as Labour have.
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A problem with democracy is that it becomes common knowledge what the public wants -- and all parties move towards that goal in order to get power -- hence you get less and less actual choice as time goes on ... just all options for governments aiming to exactly the same popular public opinion
Not really. You could argue (quite successfully) that the country now is a result of the political choices of previous generations combined with the law of unintended consequences, but the reason it won't change now is because people are both selfish and irrational.
Individuals demand a lot, but frequently take responsibility for little, that is the biggest problem the UK suffers from.
The mob are the people, empowered by a system that is based on the fallacy of appeal to popularity, rather than a rational, evidence based approach to state activities.
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This pretty much (well, as mentioned, I'm not saying I personally remember anything) but no-one cites any examples, it just seems like rhetoric same as the "small government" Republicans.
It is and nothing more (ignore dolph here please
)The cuts impossed on the civil service at least are no worse or better than what labour are doing now.
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They reduce taxes and the public sector.
Lower taxes. Worse public service.
So - if you vote for them -- wahay less tax .. but don't moan when your public services are a bit rubbish!
Lower taxes. Worse public service.
So - if you vote for them -- wahay less tax .. but don't moan when your public services are a bit rubbish!
Political descisions are taken by politicians though.
Even then I could not blame the people, how many governments have even tried to stick to their election manifesto?
Substitute the government for the state and go back to the 80s to look at how many people the tories removed from the state payroll, those who were doing useful work remained in similar roles in the newly privatised industries, those who were doing makeup work ended up unemployed.
Labour have also expanded the state employment rate by some 1 million people since 1997, so the tories are certainly more pro-small state than labour...
The problem is some people view state employment as a good thing, and oppose any attempt to cut it back, even when it is utterly pointless, unnecessary and simply an expensive form of unemployment benefit...
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Can you provide citation on this one million extra souls?
Dolph, leaving aside your bizarre assumption that everyone who votes under the current system only does so on the basis of popularity instead of a rational, evidence based approach to state activities, can you please give us your idea of the best political model? One in which everyone will always vote purely on the basis of a rational, evidence based approach to state activities?
Thanks.
Labour have passed many laws that have no evidential backing as to providing a benefit but were popular. The handgun ban, fox hunting ban, continued prohibition of drugs, regrading of cannabis to class B, 50% tax rate, bank bonus tax, etc etc.
How can you not blame the people for the government, they are the ones that keep voting them in and keep making demands of them.