Bargain Barge?

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Here's one for you motors...

I want something Bargetastic to replace the 205 when my insurance comes up for renewal in a few months. Don't get me wrong, I think that the GTi is a manic little machine and I'm very, very glad to have had the opportunity to own such a car there are two problems with it:

A) The car is very much set-up for the track. Firm suspension, no interior + Bucket seats and a loud exhaust are the noticeable flagging points. Whilst these modifications make the car absoultely shine out of track (bar one or two issues) it makes it a bit of a nightmare to live day to day, especially considering 97% of my driving is spent on the pot hole infested, speedbump riddled roads of South London. In the beginning I thought it was awesome in the "I'm a rally driver!" sort of way. Then it became slightly annoying, then really annoying. Then this week it got to the "I'm going to get the Bus to work because I cannot be bothered with this anymore" level of annoying.

It would help if I could use the car to its potential more often, but I can't, not on the public roads. Track days are my only answer, but I really struggle to see the point of 'suffering' with a car that I'll only be able to use properly for maybe 7-8 times of the year. Max.

B) Hot Hatchbacks have never really been my thing.

So...

The top whack budget is about £3,000. Ideally I'd spent less and use the rest of the money.

I do want something that I can still use on track. It doesn't have to be great, but I will be doing the odd track day in it regardless, so for that reason I don't think I'll be considering car with an automatic gear box (unless somebody can convince me otherwise?). I'd also favour something Rear wheel drive or four wheel drive, but it's not an absolute deal breaker

I had a quick think about modern family saloons along the lines of a Mondeo and the like, but I'm dismissing them for not being 'special' enough. I know, it sounds stupid, but My cars are for pleasure above everything else, fuel economy, running costs, mileage heck, even reliability are for the most part irrelevant. What I do NEED something that is going to put a smile on my face with the mere thought of going for a drive and I'm not convinced that a MK3 Mondeo is ever going to do that...

To be quite honest with you, an e34 BMW 5 Series is leading the short list. I know you're thinking, "Eh? £3,000 budget and you want something that can be bought for 50p?". I love old school BMWs. They are very easily in my top 5 cars of all time, probably in the top two. It's a car that I want to own, badly. My mother had a 530i for a few months and it was absoultely awesome to drive. I didn't have to drive like a tit to enjoy myself, merely wafting about at the speed limit in complete comfort was enough. I cannot help but wonder if a £500 auction snotter with overheating problems can make me feel that great, how will a good one make me feel? Any model upwards of a 525i (24v) seems like a good bet.

I never paid much attention to e39s until very, very recently but they seem to be pretty cheap. It seems like £2,500 will see me having the pick of 528i's and creeping in 530i territory. I can't help but think a e39 might be a bit more sensible alternative to an e34? I won't argue that the e39 is probably a much better car, but it doesn't have the 'style' that I love about e34s. Plus I think all the e39s I can afford are the pre-face lift models, which are already starting to look a bit dated?

Any additional suggestions welcome. The requirement for a Manual gearbox has shot down pretty much everything else I can think of.
 
Although you CAN get a 530i for £2500 I wouldnt want one. You are correct in your ascertation that a prefacelift E39 is what you'd end up with, however it'd be an SE because a £2500 528i Sport is going to be very leggy and require a lot of money spending on it to get it up to scratch. The e39 is a heavy car and quite hard on its suspension, any £2500 car is going to need a refresh.
 
I say bin the stupid manual gearbox requirement and get an old E39 540i and some new suspension to go with it.
 
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Although you CAN get a 530i for £2500 I wouldnt want one. You are correct in your ascertation that a prefacelift E39 is what you'd end up with, however it'd be an SE because a £2500 528i Sport is going to be very leggy and require a lot of money spending on it to get it up to scratch. The e39 is a heavy car and quite hard on its suspension, any £2500 car is going to need a refresh.

Hmm, it seems like it might not even worth considering. The e39 idea was mainly to avoid some of the issues that I'd have to deal with 'old car' problems like bushes, but as you point out they'll probably need doing on an e39 in my budget. Given the fact that I prefer the looks of the e34 and wouldn't have to make a compromise on model (bar the M5), I think the e34 is a better idea. Do you know of any particularly interesting toys I'd miss out on not going for an e39? At the moment it only seems to be faff like rain sensing wipers :p

Sell me the 205!

Sorry, forum rules. Only one interesting Peugeot per member. They made so few over the years we have to distribute them fairly! ;).

Omega 3 litre? Or would 'just' the 2.5 be adequate? Will be pretty cheap although the MV6 seems to demand a bit of a premium.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1419866.htm

This is the sort of suggestion I'm after. I completely forgot about the Omega!

mk2 mondeo st?

I just can't. Sorry :(.

Not knocking Mondeos, but in this case they are almost too practical/sensible. Call it stupid, I rack up very few mile over the course of the year, and all of them are done for pleasure. I want as much pantomime as I possibly can get out of those miles, be it me pretending to be an early 90s drug dealer in an e34, or popping & banging around town in a noisy modified 205 GTI. My cars are for pleasure, but a Mondeo strikes me as a tool above everything else. Even in ST form...

Volvo 850/V70 T5 AWD.

Turbo-Brick :D. Another good suggestion. I'd actually be willing to forgo the want for 4WD/RWD to have a 850T5R. AWD V70 T5s seem to be out of my budget.

http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1157160.htm

Bargetastic, certainly. Even leaves you with £500 to spend on.. err.. windscreen washer fluid top-up? ;)

Believe me, in the past I've looked, and I've even done the research... I know from experience that the BMW V12 engines are very reliable (The same unit from the e38 750i was used in the Rolls Royce Sliver Seraph and I'm yet to come across one of those that has had a mechanical fault!), but after speaking with a 750i owner I decided against the idea. Whilst things don't go wrong often, when they do go wrong they go wrong expensively. Remember, there aren't many 750i's being broken for parts, so most faults require going through a dealer which isn't cheap on base spec models, let alone the 20+ year old range topper :D.


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I say bin the stupid manual gearbox requirement and get an old E39 540i and some new suspension to go with it.

Stop it. A friend of mine recently picked up a perfectly good e39 540i with FSH and 100k on the clock for £2,200...
 
£12k buys better cars than that. A8 for a start.

Would an A8 really be that much 'better' though? I was under the impression that the W12 based Phaeton/A8/Conti GT car are very similar. Similar to the point were early Flying Spurs were assembled on precisely the same production line alongside Phaetons/A8s.

The way I'd personally put it into perspective is that an 05 Flying Spur still retails at over £50,000 and a comparable car can be had for a fifth of that. I'll let you draw your own conclusions...
 
engine-wise, no.
but in almost every other respect, a £12k A8 is better
the ride proably won't be as good though

but you can also get very good E65s and S-Classes at this price
 
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The way I'd personally put it into perspective is that an 05 Flying Spur still retails at over £50,000 and a comparable car can be had for a fifth of that. I'll let you draw your own conclusions...

Thats a bit like saying why buy an Audi TT or an Audi S3 when you can get a Seat Leon 1.4S or a Skoda Octavia 20VT Laurin and Klement.

Just because the platform and drivetrain are the same does not mean the cars will feel the same.

Have a poke around a Flying Spur then a Pheaton and you are left in no doubt which is the £50,000 car and which is the cheap, forgotten Volkswagen
 
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