Poll: Which party will get your vote in the General Election?

[RDM]

Well there's no proof they lied, they simply decided not to support it when it came round to it. Unless they'd decided that beforehand, then rather than lying they changed their minds. And it's difficult to say they decided that beforehand as it was a different treaty then.

No proof they lied? From their 2005 Manifesto:

We are therefore clear in our support for the constitution, which we believe is in Britain’s interest – but ratification must be subject to a referendum of the British people.

When both the pro and anti EU people are happy to say that the Lisbon Treaty and EU constitution are effectively the same document then I would say that is a lie. Also when two Lib Dem Shadow Ministers quit and one gets sacked due to the decision to vote for a referendum I would say that the party went against their promise and knew they were doing so. So yes, the party lied on their manifesto.

Also, better they backtracked on something they said than going ahead with a stupid idea. I've no problem with politicians saying they were wrong about something and have changed their minds, reassuring to see they're open to reason.

Alternatively their manifesto promise was a sham as they knew that not promising a referendum when the other two parties did would be politically damaging. So I cannot believe what they say in their manifesto as it could equally be another political lie they will go back on.

 

[bigredshark]

No proof they lied? From their 2005 Manifesto:

When both the pro and anti EU people are happy to say that the Lisbon Treaty and EU constitution are effectively the same document then I would say that is a lie. Also when two Lib Dem Shadow Ministers quit and one gets sacked due to the decision to vote for a referendum I would say that the party went against their promise and knew they were doing so. So yes, the party lied on their manifesto.

Alternatively their manifesto promise was a sham as they knew that not promising a referendum when the other two parties did would be politically damaging. So I cannot believe what they say in their manifesto as it could equally be another political lie they will go back on.

There is a difference between knowingly saying something untrue and later changing your mind you know? Either way, good for you - who do you trust then? Personally I couldn't care less about it.

 

[Darg]

Looks like there's no need for a general election. Just bring maggie thatcher back already.

 

[DezUk]

SNP here

 

[Hatter The Mad]

I just do not understand how we have 54 people here voting Labour. They're either copying their parents (who have now out-of-date concerns about Thatcherite politics and economics) or are misinformed

 

[Glaucus]

(who have now out-of-date concerns about Thatcherite politics and economics)

There is a hell of a lot of that and jealous people Thinking the "rich"(as lets face it anyone can become manger on 50k+ in their working life) should pay everything. Rather than the rich should pay more but be it the same percent.

 

[Stolly]

There is a hell of a lot of that and jealous people Thinking the "rich"(as lets face it anyone can become manger on 50k+ in their working life) should pay everything. Rather than the rich should pay more but be it the same percent.

Wealth redistribution (or "theft" to give it's proper term) is stil deeply engrained in the Labour party. They just can't help themselves.

I hope that the next 10 years out of power might help them have a good think about that one.

 

[cymatty]

Conservative.

 

[Stolly]

What rubbish. The only thing crushing the hope of the 'british people' is their incessant moaning, laziness, expectation of things being handed to them on a plate and lack of ambition. Tell me exactly what the government have done which has stopped you from reaching your ambitions?

This. To which i would add expecting a scandanavian wefare system paid for by US taxation rates.

Its time people realised its one or the other. Or huge amounts of government debt.

 

[Glaucus]

What rubbish. The only thing crushing the hope of the 'british people' is their incessant moaning, laziness, expectation of things being handed to them on a plate and lack of ambition. Tell me exactly what the government have done which has stopped you from reaching your ambitions?

I do put part of the blame on government who have gone along of the lines you are to much of idiots to do anything so government must do it all. To many hand outs and to much H&S other laws.

Just like this snow, why not introduce similar laws to Germany, it helps people to realise they can stand on 2 feet and not to look at government for every little thing.

 

[Stolly]

Theft... or a fairer society - a tax on the poor being more of a burden than a tax on the rich.

Yes, its fair to take money from the people that earn it, in the form of tax, and give it to those that didn't in the form of welfare of such proportions its actually more lucrative to NOT work for thousands of people.

Fine, don't tax the poor. Don't pay them to sit on their arses complaining of stress either. Fair.

 

[Glaucus]

Theft... or a fairer society - a tax on the poor being more of a burden than a tax on the rich.

No ones saying don't tax the wealthy more, or don't give handouts. What you can do though is decide a poverty line. say 10-12k a year. Make that totally tax free, then have something like a 30-40% (or whatever to balance books, with a reduced handout) tax after that. It should never be better to live on hand outs that to work. I can't blame the people for taking handouts over work, but I will blame government.

 

[Stolly]

I do put part of the blame on government who have gone along of the lines you are to much of idiots to do anything so government must do it all. To many hand outs and to much H&S other laws.

Just like this snow, why not introduce similar laws to Germany, it helps people to realise they can stand on 2 feet and not to look at government for every little thing.

You know, since they came to power in 1997 have you heard a Labour politician mention "personal responsibility ?" The concept that the most important factor in our own welfare is what we can do for ourselves ?

I can't remember a single time. Plenty about making things "fair" and "equal".

I'm drawn to the analogy that they are the captains of an ocean liner with the rich living it up in first class and the poor freezing in steerage class. So their solution to make things "equal" was to sink the bloody thing and cast us all into the waves. At least we are all equally screwed now.

 

[Glaucus]

have you heard a Labour politician mention "personal responsibility ?".

Of course not Labour is about a big lumbering central government in control of the population. Personal responsibility does not enter into their thoughts.

Not to say other parties would be much different and have a massive change. but they would have a few key changes in certain areas.

 

[Stolly]

Of course not Labour is about a big lumbering central government in control of the population. Personal responsibility does not enter into their thoughts.

Not to say other parties would be much different and have a massive change. but they would have a few key changes in certain areas.

Ah yes, wouldn't want the plebs realising they don't need the government in their lives. That wouldn't do.

 

[Kainz]

Been voting Conservative since 1999 when my town became an illegal dumping ground.

 

[aardvark]

I do put part of the blame on government who have gone along of the lines you are to much of idiots to do anything so government must do it all. To many hand outs and to much H&S other laws.

Just like this snow, why not introduce similar laws to Germany, it helps people to realise they can stand on 2 feet and not to look at government for every little thing.

exactly - labour are too concerned with their social engineering. labours policies don't help people to help themselves, they try and control everything - with a welfare system that doesn't encourage people to work or take responsibility for themselves and their destiny - they distribute wealth because they think its fairer when it really only holds people back - why get a job when they will pay you to sit at home unemployed and churn out kids - it doesn't benefit society in the long run and labour always screws things up for those that want to work and take responsibility for their lives.

 

[Judge Mental]

None.

Much as i'd like to, i could never bring myself to endorse some interfering **** who thinks they know what's best for me.

 

[Jonny69]

Sadly it'll be the Greens. I wouldn't want them in power because a lot of them are fundamentalists and wouldn't know how to run a country, but I recognise they are needed to pressure the government that's in at the time. So they get my vote.

I'm not voting Conservative just to 'out' Labour. Seems like a bit of a waste of a vote to me since both parties have such similar policies.

 

[Skii]

Conservative, no question.