Or teach them to hate the government and all those old people who demanded they waste years of their life on this rather than doing what they want...
Poll: Mandatory national service, yey or nay
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Or teach them to hate the government and all those old people who demanded they waste years of their life on this rather than doing what they want...
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Round them up and napalm the lot of them tbh. Cheap and effective.
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When I was 18 I travelled round the US using my own money, then worked paying taxes into the central coffers. Not causing a single bit of harm to anyone whatsoever just paying my way towards society.
If my society had instead insisted I sit in a musty army barracks for a YEAR learning how to march and run around (!) and being VERY BADLY told-off because my bed pillow isn't the right way up' -- I'd have felt hard-done by.
In fact I'd have felt it was one of the best years of my life -- thrown away .. for no reason at all
A kind of 'state-sponsered' ruin young people's lives to teach them how bad the state can be.
It's just a rubbish idea in every way -- and if it had never happened in the past, everyone on this forum would be saying 'What kind of retarded, unfair idea is that?'
If my society had instead insisted I sit in a musty army barracks for a YEAR learning how to march and run around (!) and being VERY BADLY told-off because my bed pillow isn't the right way up' -- I'd have felt hard-done by.
In fact I'd have felt it was one of the best years of my life -- thrown away .. for no reason at all
A kind of 'state-sponsered' ruin young people's lives to teach them how bad the state can be.It's just a rubbish idea in every way -- and if it had never happened in the past, everyone on this forum would be saying 'What kind of retarded, unfair idea is that?'
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Why do so many of you assume National Service to mean army training?
You’ll be proposing labour camps next, what after that, death camps.
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For prisioners.....might not be a bad idea actually, get some use out of them.
It doesn't have to be army training!!
No, but I would like to see opportunities available for those who have difficulty finding work. Not necessarily so they become soldiers as such, but rather, they could be deployed around the country, assisting in projects where needed. Maybe even abroad.
But definitely not forced service.
But definitely not forced service.
surely rounding them up and burning them alive counts as a death camp?
It was a touch of sarcasm.
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Yes, young offenders, ship all the the ***** to Afghanistan if they want to stab people etc...
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Nope, it would give kids a chance to see what life is like in the Army.
It might set a few kids straight but will be a massive waste of time and money for the other 99%.
thus bad for the economy and most people, and our rep when some ASBO kids torture Iraqis or shoot each other.
I think more should be done to stop the little scroats having more little scroats in the first place.
But forced abortion isn't exactly popular.
It might set a few kids straight but will be a massive waste of time and money for the other 99%.
thus bad for the economy and most people, and our rep when some ASBO kids torture Iraqis or shoot each other.
I think more should be done to stop the little scroats having more little scroats in the first place.
But forced abortion isn't exactly popular.
I'm not a fan of a military-driven national service.
Much the same as the military is a last-ditch counter to our own failure to be able to respect each other, and treat each other fairly and equally, national service is the last-ditch counter to failing to educate and engender the same values within our children. I would much prefer the effort is expended in to addressing that root issue rather than trying to patch up the lost souls that enter and need national service, whilst simultaneously wasting the lives of those that don't need it.
I think when we wake up and realise that we are all part of a greater entity, and that the "little scrote" down the road is just as much our collective responsibility as their parents', that maybe we'll start addressing these issues properly.
Much the same as the military is a last-ditch counter to our own failure to be able to respect each other, and treat each other fairly and equally, national service is the last-ditch counter to failing to educate and engender the same values within our children. I would much prefer the effort is expended in to addressing that root issue rather than trying to patch up the lost souls that enter and need national service, whilst simultaneously wasting the lives of those that don't need it.
I think when we wake up and realise that we are all part of a greater entity, and that the "little scrote" down the road is just as much our collective responsibility as their parents', that maybe we'll start addressing these issues properly.
And they'll get our well trained dedicated troops killed.
Great ***ing logic that.
It's a massive insult to the armed forces to say their career is basically for criminal scum who can't be trusted to do anything else.
Yes, however not quite the same as most other countries/ours in the 50's, something a bit more lenient and flexible.
I'd propose something like 3-6 months (minimum) taken whenever you wanted between the ages of 18-20 (so you could plan round it) perhaps straight after leaving school and before going to uni (if you were going). Once in you'd all do the same 2-3 months to begin with but people would be picked/have a choice to do a variety of skills they enjoyed. You could work on an army officer route, mechanic, engineer, general. After your minimum term you could then choose to defer your time (come back during the next summer for example), carry on and essentialy enlist for a short time (say one to two years) where you could head towards a more military orientation if you wish and even join the proper Army. If however you were a young offender or someone deemed "not fit enough for society" (for example not getting any skills from your initial 3-6 months) then you would be forced to stay longer.
Something like that would aim towards teaching people, instead of just becoming a soldier and learning fighting skills, to become better members of society (by using a militaryesq system) but also to help you on your way into whatever career you think you may want to do. In this way someone wanting to become a mechanic after leaving national service could get the qualification whilst doing their service, someone going to uni to do engineering, a bit of practical engineering (perhaps succonded to the RE for part of their service period) someone wanting to work in an office perhaps a more administrative based period).
This sort of system could amalgumate/work along side things like apprentichip schemes, the ATC and UAS as well as voluntary schemes whilst still being considered national service and making people fit and preferably more polite/"nice" (you would still have the running, pressups, marching and general military things going on.
This would also solve the problem of national service diluting our military as you would not really be in the military, just using old bases and a few instructors. Those that decide they want to join the military could then perhaps miss some of the basic training out when they signed up (having done it in their national service).
It would cost money but it would also put a huge amount back into society and I don't think people would be as annoyed about doing it, especially if they knew that they shoudl be coming out the other side with something useful that THEY chose.
My suggestion would include ideas like this into the service period, so helping those unemployable to be employable.
So essentialy like a much more vocational version of school with far stricter rules.
(Jees! Rereading that there are quite a few spelling mistakes, I can't be bothered to sort them all out so sorry...)
I'd propose something like 3-6 months (minimum) taken whenever you wanted between the ages of 18-20 (so you could plan round it) perhaps straight after leaving school and before going to uni (if you were going). Once in you'd all do the same 2-3 months to begin with but people would be picked/have a choice to do a variety of skills they enjoyed. You could work on an army officer route, mechanic, engineer, general. After your minimum term you could then choose to defer your time (come back during the next summer for example), carry on and essentialy enlist for a short time (say one to two years) where you could head towards a more military orientation if you wish and even join the proper Army. If however you were a young offender or someone deemed "not fit enough for society" (for example not getting any skills from your initial 3-6 months) then you would be forced to stay longer.
Something like that would aim towards teaching people, instead of just becoming a soldier and learning fighting skills, to become better members of society (by using a militaryesq system) but also to help you on your way into whatever career you think you may want to do. In this way someone wanting to become a mechanic after leaving national service could get the qualification whilst doing their service, someone going to uni to do engineering, a bit of practical engineering (perhaps succonded to the RE for part of their service period) someone wanting to work in an office perhaps a more administrative based period).
This sort of system could amalgumate/work along side things like apprentichip schemes, the ATC and UAS as well as voluntary schemes whilst still being considered national service and making people fit and preferably more polite/"nice" (you would still have the running, pressups, marching and general military things going on.
This would also solve the problem of national service diluting our military as you would not really be in the military, just using old bases and a few instructors. Those that decide they want to join the military could then perhaps miss some of the basic training out when they signed up (having done it in their national service).
It would cost money but it would also put a huge amount back into society and I don't think people would be as annoyed about doing it, especially if they knew that they shoudl be coming out the other side with something useful that THEY chose.
My suggestion would include ideas like this into the service period, so helping those unemployable to be employable.
So essentialy like a much more vocational version of school with far stricter rules.
(Jees! Rereading that there are quite a few spelling mistakes, I can't be bothered to sort them all out so sorry...
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No, definately not. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to do it (I had already had my fill of army discipline by the age of 12 thanks very much) and I certainly don't want my daughter to have to waste 2 years of her life doing something she doesn't want to do and possibly may not need. The military wouldn't want it either.
If it is going to be non military what exactly do you suggest that is a)productive and b) not putting people out of a job and c)worthwhile for everyone to waste a year or two of their lives doing?
If it is going to be non military what exactly do you suggest that is a)productive and b) not putting people out of a job and c)worthwhile for everyone to waste a year or two of their lives doing?