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I was a big fan of TNA before Hogan joined.

I can just see TNA turning into WCW again, the place of WWE has-beens. The return of NWO will reduce the creativity of TNA, which it was just starting to become the leader in. Hogan, Hall and Nash taking the spot light from talented up and coming wrestlers, YAWN!

Don't get me started on Flair.
 
I was a big fan of TNA before Hogan joined.

I can just see TNA turning into WCW again, the place of WWE has-beens. The return of NWO will reduce the creativity of TNA, which it was just starting to become the leader in. Hogan, Hall and Nash taking the spot light from talented up and coming wrestlers, YAWN!

Don't get me started on Flair.

Except for the fact that Dixie holds most of the power in TNA, unlike WCW when Bischoff basically ran the thing.
 
Hmm, TNA and Spike are contemplating a permanent move to Monday now, for a 2 hour show but with a 1 hour leadin to RAW as they did a 1.5 rating (while their average is a 1 on Thursdays) and RAW only did a 3.6ish (RAW has been between 3.5 and 3.8 most of last year)
 
Trying to shrug it off like its nothing

Not really, I just didn't think JH would turn his back on a company that supported him while he tried his best to send his career down the toilet.

I was wrong. Big deal - everyone gets things wrong. Looking at your post record, i'd say you get it wrong more often than most and then resort to being a petty little brat when you get rumbled.

you know NOTHING about wrestling.

I wouldn't say i'm the wrestling oracle, no. But I wouldn't say I know nothing either.
 
She stood up to Jarrett recently afaik, happily got rid of Booker T who was refusing to lose to certain people...

Fair point, but I can see Hall, Nash and Hogan being far more persuasive.

At the end of the day TNA doesn't have the money that WCW once had or even close to that of WWE.

If and thats a big IF, TNA ever get close to the ratings of the WWE, Vince will pull out all the stops.

Trying to compete with the WWE = TNA self destruction?
 
If TNA carry on as they are now, and don't tour as much as WWE; ie carry on filming the TV shows in Orlando in the studio then there is no reason why they cannot compete on TV and PPV ratings and buys vs WWE while still having a smaller budget.

They might not beat the WWE, but if they pull in decent numbers then there is no destruction. Their in ring product is superior at the moment, and I would think that Bischoff would iron our many of the production issues.

If it forces Vince to change what the WWE does then we as fans still win, as we get some decent entertainment from WWE (something closer to what it's been like before 06/07).
 
If it forces Vince to change what the WWE does then we as fans still win, as we get some decent entertainment from WWE (something closer to what it's been like before 06/07).

Whilst I agree with what you say there the rest of it I dont, I've just watched the Hogan debut show and personally thought it was **** poor to be totally honest.

Comparing the two shows TNA and Raw on TNA you had in ring promo's that were pretty much a mirror image of 2002 when Hogan and the NWO returned to the WWE whereas over on RAW you had something totally new and fresh and something that was truly definitive in the history of Wrestling - the return of Bret Hart and quite possibly the first face to face confrontation between him and HBK in 13 years - that was something that had me on the edge of my seat whereas listening to Hogan, Hall, Nash and Bischoff was just like watching a video of WCW 10+ years ago.

The only thing that made me watch TNA was Jeff Hardy's appearance as lets face it that was the only real surprise of the show and having watched it showed where TNA under this Hogan era have gone wrong already, Jeff Hardy leaving the WWE going back to TNA should have been the focal point of the show but instead it was stuck on first, has setup a possible feud/angle with no one of real importance and by the end of the night was probably just an after thought of the whole show. Anyone with half a brain should have really capitalised on bringing in the WWE's most over babyface but instead in took a backseat to a bunch of hasbeens.

Upon reading what happened on TNA at the beginning of the week and then looking at all the big names in the company now with Hogan, Flair, Bischoff, J.Hardy & Angle you would think that maybe they will start challenging the WWE but even with the WWE's current product going through one of it's poorest spells it's still leaps and bounds over the second rate show/company that is TNA.

The whole production of the TNA product is just cheap and tacky much like WCW was, back when WWE last had competition they took their product to another level but TNA are so far behind the WWE at the moment even with the latest influx of established names I cant see why the WWE would worry about TNA whatsoever. To be brutally honest of the WWE sorted out their own product and got rid of the likes of Cena & Sheamus out of their World Title picture on their A show TNA wouldn't even get a mention such would the quality the WWE have over TNA because as like you said rypt the only thing that TNA might have over the WWE right now is the in-ring product.
 
Trying to compete with the WWE = TNA self destruction?

Agree with this, TNA should concentrate on their own product and not worry about trying to match the WWE's Hollywood type show

If they did that then maybe they would start being a real threat but instead they just want to go getting loads of wrestlers who made their careers back in the nineties are now are nothing more than just marque names

You could argue that the wwe are doing the same bringing back Bret but like I said in my previous post at least bringing back Bret is new and something that people want to see, I've lost count of how many returns Hogan's had now, likewise Flair, Foley & Sting (albeit I would still love to see the latter in the wwe before he does retire for good)

Again if TNA had any real business sense and really wanted to compete with the wwe instead of throwing money at Hogan they should have broke the bank to get Bret Hart, imagine how that would have stuck it to the Vinnie Mac :eek:
 
To be brutally honest of the WWE sorted out their own product and got rid of the likes of Cena & Sheamus out of their World Title picture on their A show TNA wouldn't even get a mention such would the quality the WWE have over TNA because as like you said rypt the only thing that TNA might have over the WWE right now is the in-ring product.

In ring product is a good place to start though, the Hamada + Kong tag match was as good, if not better, than most mens matches on RAW.
The Angle vs AJ match was better than the DX match on RAW, and that's saying something when I'm a huge DX and Y2J fan.

I think that the point of the 90s talent is to give credibility to some of the TNA stars, rather than to come in and be the main attraction.
Hogan is there as a business partner, and along with Bischoff they are supposed to be in charge of running the show, similar to how Bischoff ran WCW (who beat WWE in ratings in the end).
Hopefully they have learnt from the WCW mistakes they made.
Hogan + Bischoff + Russo is certainly better than Russo on his own (as WCW proved)
 
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I dont think Hogan can see past his own nose though and if he's in charge I can see it eventually being him putting himself in the spots that the likes of Styles and Daniels should be in

I give it maybe just over 18 months and if Hogan is still at the helm then the likes of Styles and Daniels will be making the move to the WWE
 
Is Hogan/nWo/Bischoff actually at the helm or is it more of a story line thing? I can see Bischoff having input but are the others really that influential?
 
Is Hogan/nWo/Bischoff actually at the helm or is it more of a story line thing? I can see Bischoff having input but are the others really that influential?

Hogan is at the helm creatively (though he does not have complete power as that is with Dixie Carter who owns (most) of the company), and he has brought in Bischoff to work with him and TNA already had Russo for a number of years.

The rest of them, like Hall and XPac, are just on temporary contracts, to I assume put over some of TNAs tallent.
Nash has been with TNA for many years now though.

The point is, TNA is setup different than how WCW was. In WCW Bischoff was given money and basically told to go run the company.
In TNA ultimate power still rests with Dixie, and her farther, and they have both been involved in the running of the company for a while now and she is still very hands on.
This means that Hogan and Bischoff cannot simply do as they did in WCW, which is to push NWO and forget about everyone else.
 
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Austin is to guest host the 15th March RAW :D

And I actually had to mute the Cena promo last night, it made me want to kill myself.

Though the "CENA SUCKS" chants did make it better in the end
 
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Haven't seen Raw yet but I'm glad they're doing something different at the Rumble having Sheamus v Orton, it's also very rare we get to see heel v heel

Makes it odds on though that Cena will win the Rumble though :(
 
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