Poll: Mandatory national service, yey or nay
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I voted Nay
I may not live in the UK but I am a British citizen and hold a British passport.
This means that in the case of conflict with a national service scheme in place I could be "drafted" to fight for a country that I do not live in.
During the Falkland Islands conflict I lived in Canada and was under the age but at that time England did still have a national service scheme in place and I could have been called upon to serve then if I were older.
Don't get me wrong I am all for defending your country but lets face it I'm 41 years old and less than half of my life has been spent actually in the UK
I may not live in the UK but I am a British citizen and hold a British passport.
This means that in the case of conflict with a national service scheme in place I could be "drafted" to fight for a country that I do not live in.
During the Falkland Islands conflict I lived in Canada and was under the age but at that time England did still have a national service scheme in place and I could have been called upon to serve then if I were older.
Don't get me wrong I am all for defending your country but lets face it I'm 41 years old and less than half of my life has been spent actually in the UK
You seem to be pointing out your perceived flaws in peoples suggestions without offering any solutions of your own....... wait a minute....... OMFG, you not my wife are you.
I have many times.
Their are many problems, but include. All can be changed with law and policies without national sevrice. Which still wastes people lifes, Still do not solve the problems and everything else.
Lack of personal responsibility
Lack of options for police/council/school
To much government handouts that make it better to sponge than to work a poorly paid job
Education system that is far to academic orientated.
Lack of parenting support/training.
Lack of things for kids to do. Need more voluntary based stuff.
Lets see the evidence that national service has stopped the yob culture.
Just because they have NS and low yob culture does not mean the two are linked.
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Great. Sorry but I don't seem to be able to find them after reading throught all the posts. I would apprechiate it if you would be so kind as to give a couple of links.
At least we agree on this.
Lets see evidence that it doesn't.
Just because they have NS and low yob culture does not mean the two are not linked.
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England didn't have national service at the time of the Falklands War. The last intake of National Service was 1960.
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What?!
National Service ended in 1960 in the UK, with those drafted in 1960 being discharged in 1963.
edirt: beaten to it ^^^
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What?!
National Service ended in 1960 in the UK, with those drafted in 1960 being discharged in 1963.
edirt: beaten to it ^^^
Quite ironically the argies we were fighting against were certainly mainly from their 'draft'.
And they were rubbish (as I'd be if my government were forcing me to be there, unwillingly thrusting a rifle into my hands and demanding I shoot at some bloke coming down the hill on the other side of the valley! First opportunity, I'd leg it, or surrender. )
why not you know target the "chavs" and criminals. why force it on all of society despite ~99% being fine. How is NS late in life going to stop yob culture from an early age?
Well obviously the NS would only apply to the youth - the criteria for compulsory NS would only apply to those without university qualifications or little little job history or specifically target chavs. It wouldnt be forced on everyone if the right criteria is in place.
why force it on people who are working, doing apprenticeships or 1001 other legitimate use of time and not causing society any problems.
so basically convicted criminals and people on benefits then.
Wait...
If it didn't involve killing people, or training to kill people, or making weapons to kill people, or developing technologies to kill people, or providing some sort of assistance to people killing people...
...would it still be national service?
Seriously, I couldn't live with myself if I felt my actions were responsible for the death of anyone. I just don't have it in me :/
If it didn't involve killing people, or training to kill people, or making weapons to kill people, or developing technologies to kill people, or providing some sort of assistance to people killing people...
...would it still be national service?
Seriously, I couldn't live with myself if I felt my actions were responsible for the death of anyone. I just don't have it in me :/
In Poland we used to have mandatory national service but its been abolished now.
Everyone that I know that did it said that you get bullied badly the first 3 months then you bully new recruits. I also heard many cool stories but the bullying part is not so nice.
Everyone that I know that did it said that you get bullied badly the first 3 months then you bully new recruits. I also heard many cool stories but the bullying part is not so nice.
As I have said many other times, but which people find it convenient to ignore... Other countries offer many types of National Service such as ambulance work, nursing, community work, etc.