Conservatives want to abolish alcohol units system

Kenai said:
Everyone might know how much 10ml is, or 1cl as physical amount of liquid. That doesn't matter though. You have to know how potent 1cl of alcohol is before that helps you.
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yes it dose matter, it makes it easier to visualise, brings us in line with Europe. It is far easier to teach.
You know it as you give a darn and have used it for a while, not everyone does. I think you'll find more people use I can drink 5 pints and 3 doubles as measurement and not units.
Information isn't only there as a gauge of how drunk you want to be.
 
Whether they do it or not, it won't solve anything. It'll cost a fortune and drink related idiocy will remain constant, get worse or be reduced due to unconnected factors.

You can quote me on that.
 
Kenai said:
I really am giving up now, you just absolutely refuse or are unable to see the point.
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I see the point. But it affects few people. Where a change would make it much easier to understand and promote.

How will it cost a fortune?

They are changing the labels anyway to add important information on. Changing labels does not cost a fortune away. This isn't the 18 hundreads with hand carved presses.
 
A pint of carling c2 would be about 1.3-1.5 units roughly.
I know this because I know a strong pint is 3.
If we say the strong pint was 4-5% and we know the C2 is 2%, we can say a pint of carling c2 is equivalent to half a pint of strong lager and simply divide the units in half.

This is why units are good, they are easy to work in for anyone.

You add an actual measurement into it and people will just get confused. So tell me, what is wrong with the current system.
 
AcidHell2 said:
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Because this information is available to the drinker?

Lets really dumb this down.
On the side of a 500ml can of normal lager at 4% you read that there is 3 units in the beverage.
Got that?
If we wanted to work out how much alcohol is in a 500ml can of carling C2 we could simple half the units.
So here we go, got your crayons?
3/2 = 1.5
Written it down in crayon, or are you more into carving into rocks?

So lets say one night you have 10 500ml cans of normal lager at 4%, you know that night you drank 30 units.
Ignoring the drunks law of fizzy volume, theoretically you can have 20 cans of carling C2.
 
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AcidHell2 said:
they are arguments on why it is better to change. They are not irrelevant.
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They are, you are bringing up 'people know what a ml is' over and over again. This. is. an. utterly. irrelevant. fact.

You are completely ignoring the reasoning as to why this is irrelevant and just blindly bleating it over and over and over again.
 
I think the most important question is; Has the amount of units a drink is, made you not drink it?

If i go to a pub and get a pint of fosters, if someone then said, that pint is 300 units, i would just ok, give a ****? It's a pint of fosters, I've had loads before, your number is useless info to me, i know how many pints makes me drunk.

Just give most people the quantity overall and the %vol of alcohol and people can work out how drunk they would be themselves.
 
My point is units are easy to work in, most people can pick up the system easy and work in it easy.

By using maths, instead of guesswork..
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"Time to get wasted lads, i'll just get the calculator out!"
Alcohol units are done in guesswork up and down the country, it's just how it's done.
 
Kenai said:
They are, you are bringing up 'people know what a ml is' over and over again. This. is. an. utterly. irrelevant. fact.
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I haven't used ml for a while.

It's not irrelevant. It is only irrelevant if you think the information is only there as a guide for how drunk you will be. It is not, it is also their as general information like calories with the average recommend calories a day.

cl is taught at school people understand it, can work with it can visualise it. It will be easier to teach, it makes far more sense to a lot of people and brings us in-line with foreign countries.

using cl also brings it in line with nutritional information you can easily included recommended limits in a recognisable format everyone is now use to.

Mr. Anderson said:
I think the most important question is; Has
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why is that important? it is there so you can make an informed choice. It is not there to shock you into not drinking.
 
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It's irrelevant because no one understands the potency of pure alcohol!!!!!!!!!
You can visualise this pure alcohol but it's completely pointless, it does not affect maths skills.
You can visualise a unit as a shot of vodka, or a third of a strong pint, but it has no bearing on an ability to work out drinking amounts.

If you work in units it's easy.
On the side of your can it will tell you recommended units, and how many units in a can.
On a bottle of wine, it'll tell you units per bottle, small glass, or big glass.
and so on.
ANYONE CAN WORK IN THIS SYSTEM.
 
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It will completely confuse most of the population, require funding to (re)educate people on how many cl are in a typical drink etc. etc. and at the end of it we have benefited in absolutely no way at all.

Goverment guidelines of '4 units a day' will become '4cl a day', government websites telling people a typical pint is '2 units' will tell them it's '2cl' and so on and so on.

All this serves to actually achieve is to remove the frame of reference 95% of drinkers have for how strong a drink is and then to re educate them on the same system with a new name.

Visualising a little test tube of alcohol helps no one, because no one understands what that little test tube of alcohol is capable of.
 
Tefal said:
Good luck getting drunks to do that in their heads.
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when drunk? how about when sober

Kenai said:
It will completely confuse most of the population, require funding to (re)educate people on how many cl are in a typical drink etc. etc. and at the end of it we have benefited in absolutely no way at all.
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Not if you put both on, as they are going to change the labels anyway.
Most people don't work in units anyway, people will grasp it a last faster as it is something which is already taught. Making it much simpler for 14year olds as they come through the system.
 
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