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ATI Radeon HD 5830 expected on January 25th

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It looks like AMD plans to release the ATI Radeon HD 5830 on January 25th, 2010. This new card will offer Radeon HD 4890-like performance, but at a lower price.
More precise specs (shader processors or clock frequencies), remain unknown. Radeon HD 5830 will use GDDR5 memory and offer performance on the line of AMD's Radeon HD 4890 card, but at a lower price.
We're guessing the design will be the same as the more powerful brothers, but even if the price hasn't been set it would be nice with a card from the Radeon HD 5800 series that costs less that $200.
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source :- http://www.guru3d.com/news/ati-radeon-hd-5830-expected-on-january-25th-/


how many 5*** cards are there now?

mathwat
 
Hmm, that's most of the bases covered surely?

5870X2 out on it's own.
5870 = GTX295 = 4870X2
5850 = GTX285/280
5830 = GTX275 = 4890
5770 = GTX265/260 = 4870
5750 = GTX250 = 4850
5670 = GTX240 = 4770?

It's just a case of ATI filling out the bottom end and waiting for Fermi. Although at this rate they're going to have die shrunk HD5000s ready to go before.

As for the HD5830, might pick one of these up for my little system if I lose my bottle with regards to squeezing an HD5850 in there.
 
How can it be cheaper when we're paying £120 for a 5770 and £135 for a 4890? Untill ATI prices become realistic (which will only happen with competion and better yields) then the pricing of the new cards doesnt represent what the card stands for in the case of power vs cost.

(But saying that i suppose its better to pay £140 - £150 for a 5830 compared to a 4890 just to get DX11, lower temps and quieter performance)
 
hyperst said:
I would think these would be in the region of £189.99
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By todays trumped up "haha you're uk consumers and therefore suckers" prices, maybe, its rrp will probably be around £150, but remember at some point the 4890 won't be being made anymore.

The choice isn't crystal clear which one you should buy right now, in 6 months you'll only be able to buy a 5830 though. They seem to be waiting on TSMC to switch more production from 55 to 40nm at the moment though, as ideally you'd normally get 40nm way cheaper comparitively than 55nm and TSMC seeing the value and all their customers wanting it would switch most of their normal production over. However with 40nm sucking balls, the price improvement over the previous process is simply not existant, so the push by customers to spend a lot of money remaking chips just for a lower process isn't there, so TSMC's push to very expensively(in the billions) switch more and more production has also been non existant.


AS for competition, there is no competition, the 4870 brought the GTX prices down because they were vastly, VASTLY cheaper with similar performance, if the 4870 came out at £250 and the GTX280 had launched at £350, why on earth would that have forced 4870 prices down, it doesn't work the other way around. A more expensive Fermi, with non existant high end parts at stupid prices won't push prices down.

Yield improvement would, but thats not going to happen, you're not going to go from 40% yields, to 80% yields in the space of a couple months on a year old process with nothing new to improve it. The 58XX's cost an extra $100 or so as they leave the board makers for distributors, not in $100 more profit, but with $100 higher production costs. A 5850 will never cost £100-125 like the 4850 did, if it had twice the yields, it would.

My guess would be though that the 5830 shouldn't have any issue overclocking like the 5850 can, and depending on how many missing shaders compared to a 5850, it could quite easily spank a 4890. If its a 1000-1200 shader part, with dx11, can clock to 5850 overclocking levels with a nice new unlocked bios and has increased rops over the 4890, it will be a killer card.
 
Here is some complete and utter speculation on my part:

Predicted specifications are based on these differences between the 5870 and 5850:

125MHz core clock difference
400MHz memory difference
160 shader difference
8 texture difference
equal ROPs

predicted 5830:

600MHz core
3800MHz memory (I don't think they have any reason to make it lower than this)
1280 shaders
64 TMU's.

vs. 4890:

4890:

Processing power: 1360 GFLOPS
Bandwidth: 124.8 GB/s
Pixel fill: 13600 MPix/s
Texture fill: 34000 MTex/s

Predicted 5830:

Processing power: 1535 GFLOPS
Bandwidth: 121 GB/s
Pixel fill: 19200 MPix/s
Texture fill: 38400 MTex/s

So the 5830 should be ~= to a 950MHz 4890 in non memory bandwidth bound scenarios.

I'd also speculate that £160-170 is probably about the price range we'll see once the dust settles.

What? Everyone else was doing it. :(
 
Might pickup one of these although I have got my fingers crossed that this card will be able to handle BF2 BC2 wth decent graphics and playable framerate.
 
I hope they bring the prices down on 4890's, if this offers the same performance, with dx11, lower temps, lower power draw, then the 4890 is dead in the water without having a lower price point.
 
Ritsugamesh said:
I hope they bring the prices down on 4890's, if this offers the same performance, with dx11, lower temps, lower power draw, then the 4890 is dead in the water without having a lower price point.
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They've been phasing the 4890 out slowly for a while now, anyway. I can't see them bothering to change its price.
 
If these come in at £130/140 they do very well, as ever though i think they will milk it a touch and be around the £160 mark.
 
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