I also lol'd. I'm an atheists and I demand the death of all religious types.
Or we could atleast flog them 200 times.
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I also lol'd. I'm an atheists and I demand the death of all religious types.
Or we could atleast flog them 200 times.
Some Atheists are undoubtedly extreme in their beliefs. I think it would be hard to argue that Richard Dawkins, for example, isn't pretty extreme in trying to spread his fundamentalist beliefs - but that is for another thread perhaps.
Richard Dawkins demands death to the religious does he?
All that extremist means is someone that takes his beliefs to the extreme. It doesn't mean "people that kill others or demand their deaths". I would say that calling everyone who is religous "diseased" or "mentally ill" would be an extreme atheist view. But feel free to replace extremist with fundamentalist if it makes you feel better.
You talk some crap you. An extremist is a lunatic, a fanatic. I don't run around killing people in the name of that god I don't believe in.
Forums always lead to people clutching at straws for point to make in a debate.
At least I am in good company...
So Anjem Choudary isn't an extremist then? He hasn't killed anyone in the name of God. The topic is Islam4UK after all...
Indeed they do, like making up their own definition of words...
As I said in the post you quoted, feel free to use fundamentalist instead.
You can label it whatever you want. Anjem Choudary is a fanatic and lunatic, he is extreme.
Extremist atheist? Atheism I would not consider to be a faith or belief system. I don't see it as a Religion vs Science debate because one is completely removed from the other. As an atheist I don't even identify religion because to me it's as abstract as Peter Pan and Snow White.
I don't think calling religious people mentally ill is an extreme atheist view, I think to a degree it's some what factually correct.
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By definition, atheism is a belief.
On the contrary, to me it is the abscence of belief or make-believe.
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By which definition?
Every time someone mentions atheism on these forums some pseudo-intellectual pipes up with this tired old chestnut.
Please enlighten us as to how atheism can be defined as a belief. Preferably not by quoting some bible basher or with some spurious argument about atheism being a belief that there is no God rather than being a lack of belief in some deity - that would be tremendously tedious.
Because you believe there is no God? (Breaking your rule, but my point is valid ). Since there are no scientific tools to disprove the existence of God then claiming there isn't one has to be a personal belief. There is no science to assert your position, therefore it's a belief?
Although trying to prove something doesn't exist is always a little tricky.
). Since there are no scientific tools to disprove the existence of God then claiming there isn't one has to be a personal belief. There is no science to assert your position, therefore it's a belief?Although trying to prove something doesn't exist is always a little tricky.
Expressed exactly like an extremist.
Refusal to acknowledge anyone's view but your own has credence - Check
Refusal to acknowledge that anyone's view other than your own even exists - Check
Appeal to fear towards those who have different beliefs - Check (Mentally ill against going to hell).
By the correct one. Trying to shut down the discussion before we even start by using the minority, broad and unclear definition doesn't change that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Etymology
Sure, there have been attempts by atheists to redefine the term to include other positions, especially implicit positions, but those are already covered by other terms and as such the attempts are just pointless number bolstering...
Also, from the same page.
And for clarity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism
Simply lacking a belief in god is not enough to qualify you as an atheist in the vast majority of uses, historical and current of the term. It is a conscious rejection or conscious disbelief in god.
Given that there are no evidential reason to make this conscious rejection or conscious disbelief, it can only ever be a belief in itself.
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Because you believe there is no God? (Breaking your rule, but my point is valid
Who said I believe there is no God? I have no belief in God - that is a lack of belief, not a belief.
The clue is in the word:
A-Theism - lack of a belief in a God or Gods.
Took the words out of my mouth lol...
Anyhow banning this group isnt going to make them go away...in fact it just gives them more fuel for their cause because now they can use that to show the young impressionable muslims that look at what this govt does to a group who are expressing their views etc.
Sad day for democracy if we have to go round banning people...they will only go underground.
Except that is not the definition or deriviation of the word. Theist came into existance after Atheist.
Atheism is the -ism of atheos, or godlessness.
If you simply lack belief but do not conciously reject or disbelieve it, then you are agnostic, ignostic or a variety of other terms depending on your reasoning, but not atheist.
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So, the earliest root is from a Greek word meaning Godless - sounds about right - and no mention of a belief there.
Even the later French interpretation mixes denial and disbelief in the same interpretation - I'm no linguist but aren't they two separate things?
I was going to ignore the fact that this definition was made by a religious personage with good reason to load the definition - but I won't.
Dawkins quite clearly states in The God Delusion that he can't say that a god of some sort does not exist for certain but that he is pretty close to damn certain. He is not saying a categorical does not exist in the same way that religious people state a categorical does exist. On a scale of 1-5 on whether god exists with 1 believing wholly 5 not believing wholly that he scores himself as a 4. So by that definition the strongest atheist I can think of does not actually need any action of faith to justify their viewpoint just a unhealthy/healthy (which ever way you stand) dose of cynicism and scepticism and a pretty good justification in scientific theory.
As for the OP the venting of extremist views of whatever shape or form are sometimes useful safety valves for preventing more direct action. Once action that uses those views is then applied towards other people then that is where the line is crossed for me. You are entitled I believe to your views as long as they don't impinge on other people - in this case they did so I can stand by decision.
As for the OP the venting of extremist views of whatever shape or form are sometimes useful safety valves for preventing more direct action. Once action that uses those views is then applied towards other people then that is where the line is crossed for me. You are entitled I believe to your views as long as they don't impinge on other people - in this case they did so I can stand by decision.
You have me sussed! I ought to get my ass out on the street and recruiting my minions because I must be a pretty good extremist then by your account.
It's not a refusal at all. I considered those avenues many years ago, then I grew up with lots of good facts that changed my opinions. Fiction didn't really satisfy me see.
I don't have a fear of other peoples beliefs and on a more important point I'm not calling for people to take out ridiculous actions like marching through a town marked as sensitive to the local populace and basically wave my opinion in their faces knowing full well it will cause distress.
I eagerly await your self elightened, holier than thou, moral highground typical Dolph response though. I know your forum based life is dear to you so I look forward to it.