Survivors - Series 2

Is it so hard to believe that they were setting fire to the buildings?
I honestly don't think so!
I did raise an eyebrow initially when i thought it was a random fire, but then as soon as it was mentioned that they other survivors were trying to remove the disease threat by burning the building full of festering dead people, I was happy enough with the explanation.

This world is full of coincidence in real life. Sometimes two unlikely things happen at the same time you know!
 
Malt_Vinegar said:
Is it so hard to believe that they were setting fire to the buildings?
I honestly don't think so!
I did raise an eyebrow initially when i thought it was a random fire, but then as soon as it was mentioned that they other survivors were trying to remove the disease threat by burning the building full of festering dead people, I was happy enough with the explanation.

This world is full of coincidence in real life. Sometimes two unlikely things happen at the same time you know!
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I've not seen the episode in full so I can't comment. Someone had set the building on fire? Fair enough but the timing is just too daft. The building didn't collapse 5 mins before, 5 mins afterwards, or the day after? Just too unlikely. Again, my simple suggestion:-

A fire had previously ravaged some of the hospital (anytime over the past 2-3 months), and when trying to access some of the upper floors, it (their weight/movement) caused the floor to collapse beneath them? So them being there caused it. Anytime they went in there over a month would have resulted in the same outcome.

There, far more believable - It doesn't matter when they go in there, they cause the collapse, so it's not just one in a billion bad timing.


And I think I let out another little groan when Al ran off without Anya!?! He'd leave with her, not just run off by himself!?! Why did he run off by himself? Because the strip needed Anya to be alone... No other (sensible) reason.
 
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NeilFawcett said:
I've not seen the episode in full so I can't comment.
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Perhaps you should before condemning it! (see what I did there)

The building was on fire before they entered it, there where other fires around the hospital, it wasn't like they arrived at a normal hospital, went in, and then the fire started and 30 seconds it collapsed.

A reason was given for the starting of fires, which makes sense, particularly when you see Tom walking past dead bodies.
 
Gooner14 said:
Perhaps you should before condemning it! (see what I did there)

The building was on fire before they entered it, there where other fires around the hospital, it wasn't like they arrived at a normal hospital, went in, and then the fire started and 30 seconds it collapsed.

A reason was given for the starting of fires, which makes sense, particularly when you see Tom walking past dead bodies.
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Fair point - I'll watch the rest of the episode.

But it appears my point still seems to stand? The fires were lit at a random time, the building collapsed at a random time... And they just happened to be in the building the very minute it collapsed? The fires/collapse could have happened any other time, but it seemed timed to the minute just for them... :rolleyes:

Just unnecessary cheap thrills...
 
You are talking about a world where everyone was ravaged by a disease, a few people are lucky enough to survive, and meet up and have some adventures.
It would be pretty boring if they all sat at home and made tea, and popped to an abandoned shop every now and again for some baked beans.

The ending of the Italian Job was pretty far fetched, but brilliant...

It was a HUGE co-incidenece in avatar that the main character's twin brother convieniently died so he could go the to the new planet where they mine a material which happens to be live on by a blue skinned race of humanoids.....

Look at things like plane accidents, they are more often than not caused by a long chain of events that are all very unlikely... Yet, they manage to happen all at the right time to trigger a disaster.
 
Malt_Vinegar said:
You are talking about a world where everyone was ravaged by a disease, a few people are lucky enough to survive, and meet up and have some adventures.
It would be pretty boring if they all sat at home and made tea, and popped to an abandoned shop every now and again for some baked beans.

The ending of the Italian Job was pretty far fetched, but brilliant...

It was a HUGE co-incidenece in avatar that the main character's twin brother convieniently died so he could go the to the new planet where they mine a material which happens to be live on by a blue skinned race of humanoids.....

Look at things like plane accidents, they are more often than not caused by a long chain of events that are all very unlikely... Yet, they manage to happen all at the right time to trigger a disaster.
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Nice straw-man there... No one is suggesting they need to may 8x1hr episodes of them knitting :)

And maybe I'm being over harsh. But to me the story needs to be believable, which was one of the strengths of the original. We now have our group of survivors dodging "the super bad group", which is a little contrived/unnecessary, but now within 15 minutes of the opening episode even buildings are out to get them by throwing themselves down on them with perfect timing.

Just seems the writers are going all "24" on us, rather than keeping it as good solid believable drama/adventure.

I'll watch the rest of the episode in the hope it restores some faith.

IMHO, the best episode of the last series were the family on the farm. It was good simple drama make the most out of the apocalyptic scenario the series offers. No need for helicopters full of soldiers swooping down, or building throwing themselves onto our heroes. Just simple, insightful drama!
 
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NeilFawcett said:
How many buildings have you been into in the last three months (it's about three months I'm guessing for the Survivors) that have fallen down since?

Of those buildings that have fallen down in the those last three months, how many have fallen down even on the same day you were in them?

Of those buildings that have fallen down on the day you were in them, how many fell down within an hour of you being in them?

I expect none fell down while you were in them?

And I expect no buildings you've been in over the last ten years have fallen down ever?
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I don't tend to go into many buildings that I can plainly see are on fire, so the comparison is patently absurd.

NeilFawcett said:
Yes, the building they went into was on fire, but the same crazy odds apply - The building was set on fire the exact day/hour they decided to go in, and it fell down the exact minute they were in there :rolleyes: It didn't fall down any of the other nigh on 130,000 other minutes over the last three months...
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It was the nearest hospital to them, which is why they picked that one. It happened to be on fire due to circumstances that were explained and made sense. They still - foolishly - went inside.

NeilFawcett said:
It's contrived and silly, and most importantly unnecessary... Meaning your brain rings little alarm bells for unbelievability/daftness and drags you further away from the drama (ie: It's all make-believe, rather than actually believable). In my case this alarm bell sounds like a loud groan...
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Meh, maybe for you.

NeilFawcett said:
What would have been more believable?:-
- A fire had previously ravaged some of the hospital (over the past 2-3 months), and when trying to access some of the upper floors, it caused the floor to collapse beneath them? So them being there caused it. Anytime they went in there over a month would have resulted in the same outcome.
- A group hoarding in the hospital, and a grenade being used stupidly or something, causing a floor to collapse? Again, so them being there caused it. Anytime they went in there over a month would have resulted in the same outcome.
- Or don't bother with buildings needing to fall down, and concentrate on the drama/characters in these horrible times?
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You're watching a program about a virus wiping out over 90% of the population. Your disbelief should be able to accept some perfectly reasonable suspension.

To be honest, the harder bit to accept is that anyone would be foolish enough to enter a building that is clearly on fire, but then needs must as the Devil drives.
 
vonhelmet said:
Your disbelief should be able to accept some perfectly reasonable suspension.
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Maybe... But again, events (completely utterly random) leading to a building throwing itself down on our heroes at just the right moment just seems too contrived for me... Yes it was on fire, but this was a random event too - It could have been set alight the week before or after for example, but no, was set on fight at just the right moment, to the minute/second, to trap our heroes who went inside for a minute or two...

It's just pushing the believability a bit too far for me I'm afraid and rings of "contrived scene" rather than "believable scene".

Anyway, I'll watch the rest of the episode with fingers crossed :) Here's hoping for the writers to calm down a bit and introduce some more plot instead of mindless action.


ps: Let's not get into the daftness - if I've understood correctly - of people setting the hospital on fire due to the bodies in there? There's tens of millions of bodies in London, so the hospital - and destroying its medical supplies - is going to help how?
 
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I watched the rest of the episode last night. Seemed to pick up in the latter half.

Still seems a little bit too "24" for what it's really trying to be...

ps: What was the importance of the postcard?
 
NeilFawcett said:
I watched the rest of the episode last night. Seemed to pick up in the latter half.

Still seems a little bit too "24" for what it's really trying to be...

ps: What was the importance of the postcard?
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same/same as postcard the black guy got sent by the guy who stole his wife?
 
Another somewhat hamfisted contrived plot...

I found myself laughing out loud, at exactly the same time as my other half, when ever those cell window doors were open, and there were all the prisoners just standing there up against the cell door/window looking out... over and over... Did they all like standing up against a door, looking at a sheet of glass/metal all day?

With a third of this series already gone now, don't think we're going to see an improvement I was hopnig for. Anyway, it's OK, and entertaining enough I guess...
 
I liked it.

I watched the first 2 episodes of series 1 from the original series the other night. It's amazing how different the 2 Tom's are. Eventually leading to him lying so that his friend is killed (Law and Order, one of the best episodes of TV I've ever seen)

Parts of it where also fairly laughable, like Peter Bowles' part.
 
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