How do PA steup and active speakers work?

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I have been interested in hi-fi, speakers and intergrated amps for a few years now but dont know how PA setups and Active speakers work.

If I wanted to connect active speakers to my computer, how would i do it?
Do active speakers have an amp build in?
Is a preamp or something else needed?
Do some PA speakers require a power amp and pre amp or just power?
Is there active and non active? PA speakers? I take it the latter would not have an amp inside and require a seperate power amp
 
Assuming all your questions relate to PA speakers:

Pa speaker inputs are usually either jack or XLR input, so you would have to use a splitter and run a mini jack to jack from your soundcard(splitter) out to each of the speakers, although that won't give you stereo.

Active speakers do have their own amps in them, which is one of their disadvantages if you break say while you're on tour. Could be anything, and it isn't as easy as getting a different speaker, or using the spare amp for example.

You might find that a lot of active speakers have preamps built in. But you would have to check which ones they are.

Some PA speakers (the active ones) just require an IEC plug (kettle lead). Passive speakers however require an amp, and you would plug the input from your soundcard into the amp, and then run either jack or speakon to your speakers (depending on amp/speaker power).

Yeh. Active : amp inside. Passive: No amp inside. Passive require a seperate power amp. Which is a good thing and a bad thing. Depends how you look at it.

HTH
 
Assuming all your questions relate to PA speakers:

Pa speaker inputs are usually either jack or XLR input, so you would have to use a splitter and run a mini jack to jack from your soundcard(splitter) out to each of the speakers, although that won't give you stereo.

Active speakers do have their own amps in them, which is one of their disadvantages if you break say while you're on tour. Could be anything, and it isn't as easy as getting a different speaker, or using the spare amp for example.

You might find that a lot of active speakers have preamps built in. But you would have to check which ones they are.

Some PA speakers (the active ones) just require an IEC plug (kettle lead). Passive speakers however require an amp, and you would plug the input from your soundcard into the amp, and then run either jack or speakon to your speakers (depending on amp/speaker power).

Yeh. Active : amp inside. Passive: No amp inside. Passive require a seperate power amp. Which is a good thing and a bad thing. Depends how you look at it.

HTH

Adding to this, Passive systems will run Speakon (made by Neutrik's, so expensive) locking connections (2,4,8 pole available) between the amps and speaker as it's a more robust connector. XLR is common on Active systems and Jacks are rarely used (certainly not on commercial systems).

Balanced XLR/Jack connections (connectors/connections have a common shield/ground) tend to be used, especially between the rack gear (preamps, amps, effect units, limiters/compressor etc) and the desk/mixer. Although input sources, apart from mics, tend to be unbalanced (cd player, instruments, soundcard etc).
You also find the source (either from a cd player, or out of the desk/mixer) will hit compressors/limiters before it feeds the amp(s).

You also have >Line Array< PA setups, which as the title suggests is an array of cabs (horns/mids) in a line. They tend to be used on big gigs/tours or anywhere where you have a big audience. A line array like >this< will usually be flown (hung) at the front of the stage and are curved towards the bottom to direct the sound towards the audience closest to the stage.
And to gain optimal level/audio, it's not uncommon at the this level to find livesound engineers doing simulations (there are a handful of packages around) of the venue, at various capacity, to know what cabs to use and to get exact figures for cab position in the arrays/stacks.

On another note, you'll find majority of (high street, big Ibiza venues like Pacha with have a full blown setup) clubs are in Mono rather than Stereo as it saves on headaches with issues like phasing.
 
Or if you are like my union, you built stacks left and right of stage, not flown facing straight out, so the front few rows in the centre aren't covered by anything! Well done them.
 
Are the line arrays used to get the same amount of power from horn speakers, but without the massive horn?

i.e something like this, but smaller in an array

http://www.fergusonhill.co.uk/product_details.php?id=3

How much would it cost for a basic but half decent sounding PA setup that i could rig up to my computer/laptop. Ive heard JBL eon G2 are pretty decent. Would these just connect via a phono lead to my soundcard and the mains? How then is volume controlled, on the back i take it, like a Sub

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JBL-EON-15-G2...Elec_SpeakersPASystems_RL?hash=item33592e3649
 
Yeh, line arrays are literally for going loud. The more you have, the louder. You might also find that some big bands tour with seperate line arrays for instrument and vocals.

Why would you want a powerful 400w system plugged up into your laptop, unless you want to take it to parties our something. A balanced mini jack to phono, with converters to xlr would probably be the best way. Volume controlled either by laptop or on the back.

What use will your PA have? When we know, we can help choose one that is best for your use.
 
Or if you are like my union, you built stacks left and right of stage, not flown facing straight out, so the front few rows in the centre aren't covered by anything! Well done them.

Flying arrays or even single cabs isn't the easiest thing and isn't really suited to a union bar, unless it's a huge venue. Although i'm surprised they have left such a hole in the field, positioning a few of the cabs within the stack (rotate a few of the cabs inwards) would easily fill the centre.

Yeh, line arrays are literally for going loud.
Ish! Yes more cabs can mean more output, but line arrays are used to distribute and direct (away from voids/empty space in the venue) the sound evenly over an area of the audience. And flown arrays just allow for greater coverage of the audience (this is the gist, there is a lot more to it).


Op - I am confused why you'd want a PA system for your computer? Unless you spend a fair amount you'll struggle to get something that'll sound ok (especially at bedroom/hifi listen levels) and even then you'll need to push them to get the most out of them.
Unless you're wanting to get into PA rigging/livesound (and then i would suggest you try and get work as an assistance/dogs body for a FOH engineer or rigging company) it really isn't worth bothering with. Spend the cash on a decent spec amp/speaker setup (power/monoblock & pre), it will be a lot more enjoyable to listen to.
And if you do get a PA, then get some decent earplugs - >Well Worth The Cash<
 
Flying arrays or even single cabs isn't the easiest thing and isn't really suited to a union bar, unless it's a huge venue. Although i'm surprised they have left such a hole in the field, positioning a few of the cabs within the stack (rotate a few of the cabs inwards) would easily fill the centre.

Its a big venue, but not massive. And trust me, its something every visiting act says (I work as crew) and we often put fills up. Its an L Acoustic setup and sounds awesome, just as long as your at FOH!
 
Yeh, line arrays are literally for going loud. The more you have, the louder. You might also find that some big bands tour with seperate line arrays for instrument and vocals.

Why would you want a powerful 400w system plugged up into your laptop, unless you want to take it to parties our something. A balanced mini jack to phono, with converters to xlr would probably be the best way. Volume controlled either by laptop or on the back.

What use will your PA have? When we know, we can help choose one that is best for your use.

House parties. I take it better quality speakers like the eons would also sound good at lower volume levels?
 
How many people? What size rooms? What is your budget? What type of transportation or will they be in the same place? What type of music?
 
Is this just following on from your friends blowing your speakers at a party? Now you want a PA setup? ..............

As was said in that topic any speakers will get wrecked if they're abused by drunk people; even a PA system - I've blown many of these myself.
 
Its a big venue, but not massive. And trust me, its something every visiting act says (I work as crew) and we often put fills up. Its an L Acoustic setup and sounds awesome, just as long as your at FOH!

L Acoustic stuff is decent gear, have used their monitors (XT series) a few times and was really impressed. A few people i know said they were like near-fields and i would easily agree with them. Never used any of their tops or subs though, but hear that their P series and modular cabs are really worth the punt.
Is the whole system L Acoustics (running the LA series amps etc)? I'm really surprised (more so when using fills) about your unions setup, is there a reason to why they can't fill the centre?
I've only ever struggled at venues where it it has been extremely tight near the stage and you have a few big bands/acts, so space is limited to really be able to position cabs/stacks properly to cover the area at the front. But we shifted the audience back about 1m/2m with a barrier, which sorted it (to an extent anyways, but not a lot else can be done apart from rigging).

Guest2 - Get some cheap Jamo's (D260 series or 25i's i think - red ones with a horn) off the famous auction site, along with a cheap amp (NAD, or even perhaps a rotel power amp/pre setup considering they go for stupidly cheap prices) and enjoy. Spend the rest on sorting a decent HiFi for listening to.

Edit - If you're worried about blowing something at house parties, then get yourself a limiter (or compressor).
 
I forget what the amps are but its dv-DOSC with dv-SUB, tbh the average punter isn't going to notice that much, but thats not the point! I have no idea why it is the way it is, the venue is new so maybe things are going to change (I get told nothing, lol!)
 
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