Poll: Which party will get your vote in the General Election?
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It's no secret that Labour = higher taxes, more government, better public services & social state. Conservatives = lower taxes, smaller government, worse public services and worse social state.
So if you are just going to say 'Lower taxes = coolness, higher taxes = evil wickedness' then VOTE CONSERVATIVE. Just obviously don't moan in 3 years when your mum calls and says 'They've reduced my incapacity benefit by 45%, I can't afford the heating bill, and I have to wait 10 months in pain to get my broken hip replaced' as that's what you're voting for -- along with getting a LOT more wodja in your back-pocket as your tax is much lower ... (that's why the conservatives have got the slightly undeserved title 'the nasty party'!)
This is really not a pro-labour retort. This is just the common sense difference between the left wing and the right wing. Saying 'Evil Labour keeps putting up taxes' -- well buddy -- that's kind of the corner-stone of their entire belief system! They will always raise taxes and go for the 'social state' -- that's kind of just what they do! It's no secret!
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The thing is, you'd think this would be the standard logic that higher taxes = better public services & social state, and i would inclne to agree with you. It is common sense
Unfortunatly we live in the real world and common sense is another thing lacking in the Labour party
higher taxes does not = better public services & social state. So i'd rather have the money back in my own pocket thank you very much if the goverment is going to squander it.
By the way, because Britboy has avioded the question, i will answer it for him. it was the beloveled Labour party that abolished the Marrage Allowance in April 2000, so everyone who happens to be married here can thank Labour personally for losing out on a 10% tax cut
That the sort of claptrap that socialists bleat on about the conservatives, they would never go to those extremes, you know that very well
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Given the additional legal and financial obligations for the spouse taken as part of the marriage agreement in the UK, I would argue that it is entirely justified to give them a tax break in exchange.
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Staistics bear out that people are five times more likely to stay together if they are married, and children with two present parents achieve and behave better.
Work it out.
Do you feel equally disgusted by this Government, over 12 years, systematically bribing people to become single parents, unemployed, bankrupt and drug/alcohol dependent? You receive goodies for each of these and yet statistics show how society is affected.
This disingenuous, fascist Government of 12 years has socially engineered all the good parts out of this society. Don't bitch about a party trying to bring some sensibility back to our country (or what's left of it)!
Would you be kind enough to link me up to said statistics please? (Not saying you're wrong, I just want to educate myself). It's a very ignorant way to view the whole situation anyway, as a statistic. There are a substantial amount of situations and families, where this is not the case and bribing people to stay together when this isn't the case, quite simply, isn't good.
No, I don't. It goes without saying that said policy has inspired a tremendous amount of apathy, but if it wasn't for some of the benefits introduced under this Labour government, my mother wouldn't have been able to get herself out of the rut she found herself in as a single mother of two. I'm grateful everyday that my parents split up as it was beyond question the best thing for me, my brother, and my parents.
As for the rest of that comment, I'm not sure what to feel more of... Pity or embarrassment that I'm actually debating with somebody that believes our government has somehow bribed people into becoming drug addicts or alcoholics.. Governments **** up, no matter which political party makes them up, don't be foolish enough to expect better times ahead if David Cameron becomes our Prime Minister (something I have nightmares about...)
Please tell me you're joking?I would vote Lib Dem because their tax policies are what I want, however George Galloway will be standing in my constituency, and I can't pass up the opportunity of voting him in
I wouldn't vote for that big bag of arrogance if you paid me a million pounds.
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It won't work and its a stupid idea.
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Right, no appeal to emotion there then...
I don't really think its the place of Government to encourage families personally.
Does anyone happen to know a website that clearly shows what each party plans to do on different subjects, such as military, education, benefits, taxes etc??? The main reason I have never thought too much about voting is because all they talk about is what is important at that moment, but it is hard to find out how each party stands on different subjects.
It's a good point, but our political parties no longer have a definitive political stance. You can no longer say that the Labour party is the socialist party of the left, and you can no longer say that the Conservative party is the conservative, capitalist party of the right. Both parties are an absolute mess and I doubt whether it's possible to clearly show what each party stands for.
They don't really seem to stand for much any more, just what the electorate want to hear.
They don't really seem to stand for much any more, just what the electorate want to hear.
Nobody said 'bribed' (that's lefty language) but certainly has made it much easier to live a certain non-productive lifestyle, can you deny that?
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...year-in-benefits/story-e6frfku0-1225814032602
It's franky embarrassing debating with people that support a benefits system that allows this sort of crap to continue, how many times have we had threads that debate about whats in the link? And how many people are disgusted in those threads? It's people like you that has driven the country to were we are now, people like you that has made our country a place where people are fed up and want to leave the UK. People like you who think they know whats best and we ended up with sink estates and council flats full of permanently unemployed people who have made a career of taking benefits and giving only greif back to the rest of society
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Convincing... What part of taking legal and financial responsibility for another individual do you think won't work and is therefore unworthy of reward?
If you're not even going to bother reading my posts, then there's not much motivation for me to do so again.
That's a shocking example as well, that's a family with fourteen children (thought it was sixteen...) and they're getting £36,000 per year? It's not a huge amount, and would barely be enough to pay for those children.Also, somebody did actually say bribed, and I quoted it.
Am I supposed to interpret what you say and not read it literally as well now? When did I ever say I supported this benefits system? It has it's benefits (no pun intended), and it has it's shortcomings, as with ALL things. The converse doesn't allow any sort of growth, in that if you're not born into money, you can kiss your arse goodbye, in short.
How dare you accuse me of being one of the people that have driven this country to 'where we are now'. All I've said is that I oppose a Conservative party manifesto pledge, sorry, a former Conservative manifesto pledge since Cameron changed his mind twice in one day and said I supported part of Labour's policy. Suddenly I'm ruining the country? I don't think I know what's best for the country or else I would be in government, running the country, rather than electing people to do it for me.
It isn't a small amount either, especially when you take into account that it is tax free. You would probably need to earn over £50k to net that amount of take home pay.If you're not even going to bother reading my posts, then there's not much motivation for me to do so again.
When you realise we are paying literally millions and millions of people five figure sums a year to be unproductive, it is no surprise to me that the economy is collapsing, it is utterly unsustainable.
Absolutely. I did mean that the amount wasn't a lot to pay for fourteen children (which it isn't), obviously £36,000 is a lot of money in real terms, but not when it's the annual income for a family of sixteen.
I completely agree with your second point though, don't think I wasn't in my earlier posts.
I completely agree with your second point though, don't think I wasn't in my earlier posts.
I will let SlugForAButt have the last word on this, as he put it perfectly in the other thread.
This, I believe is the problem. There really is no need for long term unemployment in this country. If it means getting out of bed at 4am to work in a factory doing a job you hate, well that's just tough. I know, I had to do it until I could get back into my field again.
So yeah! Make people work for their benefits and you'll see how many people can suddenly find these non existant jobs.
Amazing how the Poles can find a job within days of being in this country while the indigenous unemployed can't! It all comes down to the New Labour benefits cash blowout!
ROLL UP, ROLL UP AND GET IT FOR FREE!
Want to smoke and drink, wear Nike trainers, use a flashy Iphone and have your own place but don't want the hassle of getting out of bed before pub opening time?
NO PROBLEM!
Just tell us that you haven't ever been able to find a job of any description, and the hard working public will keep you from cradle to grave.
WHAT'S THAT I HEAR? YOU WANT MORE?
No problem! Just squeeze out a couple of illegitimates and we'll instantly promote you to our gold benefits policy. The benefits include an instant tax free payment faster than you can say "Merrydown Cider", higher benefits payments, a free laptop per child (these always fetch a few quid down the pub), an extra £25 for every week the temps are at 0 degreeC etc, etc.
All this and more available to all with no questions asked.
And don't worry about where the money comes from for all this, we'll just bring a few more Poles in to pay the tax to keep you.
I've already said I agree with most of that.- Status