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Fermi NDA ends today

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3721 first list says it all

In short, here’s what we still don’t know and will not be able to cover today:

1. Die size
2. What cards will be made from the GF100
3. Clock speeds
4. Power usage (we only know that it’s more than GT200)
5. Pricing
6. Performance

So spin basically, utter spin but with a little architecture info(that theres still got some spin going on). At least we can see some basics, but how it relates to if its a good card is completely unknown.


hehe, unfortunately, of that list thats the only 6 things we need to know in terms of if anyone wants it :p

Which is honestly completely and utterly useless, the single performance being Tesselation which is most likely the single most changeable performance parameter, and will without question change based on a lower SP part with or without lower clocks. Its possible everything launches with the same clocks but we know there will be lower SP parts, because AMD/Nvidia always do this with every generation. If it takes a hit from real world performance aswell, well, we need game testing to see.

LIke I said though, VERY interesting architecture and changes, however as I've previously said, I can't see it staying, Nvidia will almost certainly need to jump ship to become remotely competitive in the future. When the 280/285gtx were being made, AMD were gaining market share, because though lower performance they were better price/performance. Nvidia can't continue to be so expensive and offer such small profits to their partners, again a rumour but the rumour is AMD are getting 3x as many cores off a wafer as Nvidia, when the wafers cost exactly the same Nvidia can't and won't ever be able to compete. AS with last gen AMD can drop prices lower than Nvidia while still making a decent profit, while Nvidia were losing money to sell some cards in real numbers. They really can't continue as a business forever making next to no real profit.
 
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Hardly fair comparing Nvidia's latest with ATI tech that will have been out for 7 months, they should compare to 5890 :p

Nice job Nvidia though if those numbers turn out to be true and are representative of other games. It will cost over £500 though.
 
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Hardly fair comparing Nvidia's latest with ATI tech that will have been out for 7 months, they should compare to 5890 :p

Nice job Nvidia though if those numbers turn out to be true and are representative of other games. It will cost over £500 though.


Which one is it though the 360/380 if it's the 380 they should compare it to the 5970.:p


mathwat
 
Which one is it though the 360/380 if it's the 380 they should compare it to the 5970.:p


mathwat

Nah I reckon if they compared it to a 5970 it would be too close so wouldnt tell a good story. Here there is a great story "Nvidias new top end single GPU part crushes ATI's equivalent"

Anyway need to wait until we see proper benchies

Edit:Ah just spotted in the above it looks like it isnt the full heaven bench, just a select part, guess the whole bench wouldnt beat a 5870 by 60%
 
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Nah I reckon if they compared it to a 5970 it would be too close so wouldnt tell a good story. Here there is a great story "Nvidias new top end single GPU part crushes ATI's equivalent"

Anyway need to wait until we see proper benchies


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mathwat
 
surely if you were nvidia you would want to post and compare to ati's best offering
looking at them results there im gonna say theres not a lot between nv nxt gen and the 5970.
im also thinking ati are getting ready to completely eliminate nvidia with something godly that will send the green team running
 
surely if you were nvidia you would want to post and compare to ati's best offering
looking at them results there im gonna say theres not a lot between nv nxt gen and the 5970.
im also thinking ati are getting ready to completely eliminate nvidia with something godly that will send the green team running

Thats what i think Ati are waiting till fermi comes out (see what performance they got), then bring out new cards i.e 5890? 5990? or perhaps 6*** cards. and hopefully 3 dvi points on the cards..:cool:

p.s And directX 11.1:p


mathwat
 
so are we happy with this or not ?
i cant make it out

Basically we're exactly at the stage we were last night before the NDA is lifted,

Pretty much everyone knows that the 380 at least (and possibly the 360) will be faster than the 5870, however we don't know:

How much quicker?
How much more expensive?
How much hotter? (6-pin + 8-pin implies >225W power usage, if it's as high as 280W like Charlie states then wow :o)


And there's always the question of do ATI have something lined up (5890?) to combat it...

Oh, and we do also know that if you want '3D Surround Vision', e.g. Eyefinity + 3D, you'll need 2 cards (but does work on the old cards) because even the GF100 will only have 2 output ports.
 
surely if you were nvidia you would want to post and compare to ati's best offering
looking at them results there im gonna say theres not a lot between nv nxt gen and the 5970.
im also thinking ati are getting ready to completely eliminate nvidia with something godly that will send the green team running

Meh, it will most likely end up as fairly simple the 448sp part will beat the 5870 by a bit in most games, a lot in 2-3 title and be slowing in a few titles aswell, and cost more. THe 512sp part will be all but unavailable, not a hole lot faster, IF it comes with massive clocks it might be a bit enough jump to make it 30% faster than a 448SP with lower clocks.

AMD will win on price performance and Nvidia will slimly take the performance crown except the 512/dual gpu cards will likely be completely non existant though they'll claim fastest single card, with the small print stating you need a special mobo and psu to run the dual gpu card safely as theres not a chance in hell of it being within the atx spec of 300W.

SO rather as expected :(

Unfortunately the 6 key things anandtech said they didn't have, are the key things we all need to know how it will fair. Tesselation in real world performance could be a very important thing this generation, though Nvidia seem to be rather fudging the truth here. They seem to be suggesting that from the same data they can create better tesselated image quality than AMD< which is twaddle, the data is the data, tesselation is a standard method that will create repeatable results, do it faster, maybe, but it won't be producing better image quality and more detail out of the same data. If they have such a speed advantage that the developers can leave in higher quality images for it to use, thats one thing, which I rather doubt.

I think the cards from this gen from both companies will lack enough tesselation horsepower to give us uniengine type scenes IN GAME with everything else going on at a decent framerate, but they've got enough power for dev's to add it in sparingly to the area's that will make the most difference, and as tesselation takes on big time the next gen cards will from both sides hugely boost the tesselation horsepower available.
 
hang on a min
why are we talking about 5870's getting beaten with the nv next gen, its the 5970 thats the dogs nads at the mo, so surely people should be asking is it going to compete with that and not 5870 ?
or am i missing something ?
 
Thats what i think Ati are waiting till fermi comes out (see what performance they got), then bring out new cards i.e 5890? 5990? or perhaps 6*** cards. and hopefully 3 dvi points on the cards..:cool:

p.s And directX 11.1:p


mathwat


and a free fermi paper weight ???
 
hang on a min
why are we talking about 5870's getting beaten with the nv next gen, its the 5970 thats the dogs nads at the mo, so surely people should be asking is it going to compete with that and not 5870 ?
or am i missing something ?

Nvidia willl want to claim the single GPU crown, it's been an age since ATI had it.
 
hang on a min
why are we talking about 5870's getting beaten with the nv next gen, its the 5970 thats the dogs nads at the mo, so surely people should be asking is it going to compete with that and not 5870 ?
or am i missing something ?

Well to be fair a 5970 is a dual GPU and if a single GPU can beat that, it's pretty damn impressive.

Personally, if GTX380 part beats the 5870 by say 30% and the GTX360 matches the 5870, nvidia will have a winner on their hands .... depending on price of course.

Plus I should point out that we should all be hoping that Fermi beats the 5800 series by a good margin, means lower prices for all of us.
 
Well to be fair a 5970 is a dual GPU and if a single GPU can beat that, it's pretty damn impressive.

Personally, if GTX380 part beats the 5870 by say 30% and the GTX360 matches the 5870, nvidia will have a winner on their hands .... depending on price of course.

Plus I should point out that we should all be hoping that Fermi beats the 5800 series by a good margin, means lower prices for all of us.

Here's hoping, really want a Direct X11 part but don't want ATI so these better be good.
 
Well to be fair a 5970 is a dual GPU and if a single GPU can beat that, it's pretty damn impressive.

Personally, if GTX380 part beats the 5870 by say 30% and the GTX360 matches the 5870, nvidia will have a winner on their hands .... depending on price of course.

Plus I should point out that we should all be hoping that Fermi beats the 5800 series by a good margin, means lower prices for all of us.

If that's the case, it'll be EXACTLY how it was last gen
4870 >< GTX260
GTX280 > 4890 < 4870.
4870x2 > GTX280
 
right i see so were looking at it from a single gpu stance
so there is a possiblilty that ati will still have the fastest card on the market after fermi is released albeit a dual gpu

when do you think we will see some real numbers and benchies ?
 
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