In my 200sx when the roads are wet or greasy and I want to overtake I'll pull out first and then accelerate. It takes a bit longer but is much safer as long as there's plenty of room.
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In my 200sx when the roads are wet or greasy and I want to overtake I'll pull out first and then accelerate. It takes a bit longer but is much safer as long as there's plenty of room.
I don't have any experience driving a Supra, but I'm guessing things are very different from your old VXR for example, they are terrible for turbo lag, it may well be gutless off boost, thus the OP resorting to that torque multiplier we call gearing
if the lag was anything like the lag on the Evo 8 FQ400 i wouldnt be surprised !
Yes 300BHP
yup, mine years back (i cant remember what output it had on the occasion im thinking of) but on a wet road only, as the boost ramped up in 2nd, it would occassionally light up the rear. never in third though, unless a bump in the road made it skip it (but that doesnt really count as raw power)
I am suprised it went so wrong at 40mph but that isn't to say it didn't or couldn't at those speeds. The fact of the matter is the right leg is what decides this but a high powered RWD car with no traction aids does mean you need to be on your game, even one with traction aids needs to be treated with respect. I remember overtaking a line of cars in my Griffith 500 some years back when the road was damp. I pulled out to take a line of cars, I could see clearly for a long way and the road was empty so I dropped a cog or two and opened it up to go past, perhaps 5 cars. As I pulled out having picked up speed already my rear tyre lost grip and I had an epic tank slapper, I was probably up around 60mph but I was all over the place and was very lucky to catch it.
RWD, lots of BHP and no traction control and in my case very light weight ALWAYS needs respect. If your idea of fast is something with 200bhp and FWD the difference can be quite huge when it decides to let go.
RWD, lots of BHP and no traction control and in my case very light weight ALWAYS needs respect. If your idea of fast is something with 200bhp and FWD the difference can be quite huge when it decides to let go.
Progressive steering, no sudden movements to unbalance the car, progressively feeding in the power so that the turbo doesn't suddenly come on tap, ideally accelerating in a straight line rather that when the steering is on half lock....
All of which, on balance, neither he nor your mate managed to do.
http://img201.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-25501/loc570/18466_untitled_122_570lo.JPG
Did they not? You seem pretty sure those are the facts when indeed there are none. Just speculation, stereotypes and statistics.
At the end of the day, nobody wants to crash unless your name is Mohammed Patel. It really doesn't take much to fall off the road and in the case of the OP, there wasn't that far to travel before he hit someone. I believe his claimed speed to be accurate and the road is obviously designed to encourage people to make progress with it having two lanes on each side. Looking at the photo the road has a lot camber which couldn't have helped much and he would have crossed a wet white line.
It's clear after an accident you're going to a be a bit out of sorts and a bit
till you get chance to collect your thoughts. Dealing with insurance and police can be exhausting and thinking about what could have been doesn't help, especially when you've hit an MPV that could have had kids in it. You want to learn from your mistake and sharing these stories can only go to show other people how fragile life can be. It really doesn't need a crack team of trolls to bring the OP down, he's hardly saying it wasn't his fault now.
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I have only glazed over the thread, so apologies if this has been mentioned.
I could be miles off, but that looks a lot like Ridgeway road in Sheffield. Tram route? If you were moving from inside lane to outside, could you have caught the tram lines? They are awkward when dry, and absolutely lethal when wet.
Unlucky bud. Glad you are OK.
I could be miles off, but that looks a lot like Ridgeway road in Sheffield. Tram route? If you were moving from inside lane to outside, could you have caught the tram lines? They are awkward when dry, and absolutely lethal when wet.
Unlucky bud. Glad you are OK.
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Please remember that the twin turbos on the engine in the Supra presents it's power differently from most turbo setups. The first turbo will spool and you'll get a nice 'push' then somewhere along the line it will trail off, and then the second turbo will spool up and suddenly it is hammer time again.
I think it is perfectly possible to believe that the OP was driving with light throttle input but it was still enough to provoke the turbo into screaming "HAI GUYZ" and causing the backend to step out? Granted he should have been in a higher gear, but what would have happened if he was in an automatic and it suddenly decided to kick down right into the powerband? Would it still have been his fault?
Actually OP, what gear were you in? I've seen people mention 2nd, but I don't think I've read that from yourself?
Maybe you were being a little over-zealous with the loud pedel, maybe it's more car than you have talent, but Christ, I think most of us have been there. It's only luck that my 'moments' in jap-turbo nutter cars haven't involved other vehicles (well, that and they've usually happened on quiet roads at night). Speculation aside, I'm glad no-one was injured and you are here to tell the tale 
Shame about the car though, 'twas gorgeous
IME Supras aren't 'twitchy' at all. Infact I find them very progressive and controllable when the back end lets go. Having said that greasy conditions and white lines can make it all happen very quickly without leaving much time to react....
Shame about the car though, 'twas gorgeous
IME Supras aren't 'twitchy' at all. Infact I find them very progressive and controllable when the back end lets go. Having said that greasy conditions and white lines can make it all happen very quickly without leaving much time to react....
Indeed, if it was on tram tracks I'd instantly put my money on that being the cause of the accident. I often drive through Hillsbrough and clipping the tramlines makes the handling lary enough in a Clio, nevermind a Supra
Light throttle = no boost and no power.
I think it could be, yesterday there were no blue route trams running between City and Gleedless due to a three car crash on Ridgeway Road...and yes, wet tram lines are deadly!
To the OP, at least you're ok, cars can be replaced, and you've admitted you were in the wrong, learn from it and move on.
EDIT: You made the local news! If anyone thinks this is innapropraite please say and I'll remove or a mod can remove if so -> http://www.thestar.co.uk/headlines/Trams-halted-after-cars-collide.5989914.jp
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Yes, it was Ridgeway Road and I was moving from inside to outside. I don't think the tram lines were on that section of the road - it was just after the lines separate off at the Tram Stop.
Honestly don't remember what gear I was in! Don't remember revs being that high so possibly 3rd, but I wouldn't put money on it!
I don't mind the link. I was pretty sure that there were no injuries but that confirms it really, saying that only one person went to hospital for additional checks. Puts my mind at ease because in the heat of the moment and the shock, it is quite hard to tell what was going on.
I'm in two minds whether to register and comment on the story!