Poll: Which party will get your vote in the General Election?

[Hoodlum]

Prop rep creates very weak government.

You normally end up with coalitions of losing parties running the country, with the party that won most votes and the election having no power at all (!!)

They specifically put prep rep into Germany after the 2nd world war because they wanted the country to have weak government -- where if the government did a single thing anti 'mainstream' act the rest just form a coalition and the government is beaten.

That's pretty much the point, I don't care for any particular party, I care about democracy. Being represented fairly regardless of party. Your individual vote "counting" as much as anyone elses. This is the most vital tenant of democracy. The only reason those parties do not support it is because it ensures we only have two viable parties - a duopoly.

This continual battle of undoing everything the previous party in power did in the first few terms is such a tremendous waste of time. How about putting through sensible, fair and considered proposals that most people can agree on in the first place? Actually progress forward rather than taking one step forward and two back. It's an awfully tiresome situation that the current voting system causes.

If we had proportional representation? We wouldn't be at war, we wouldn't have ever worried about ID cards (the idea wouldn't have gone anywhere) and we would probably have tighter banking regulations.

I can make a good argument for less fair systems too. Dictatorships can be fantastic (eg. Look at what Alexander the great did for his people) and the reaction speed is tremendous compared to a democracy. The problem is they can also be terrible.

If democracy was perfect -- we could screw government -- and just set up referendums for everything!!!

The Swiss do.

 

[britboy4321]

Yet "choosing" the majority party becomes much harder if you don't want to choose Labour.

Some democracy...

I don't understand.

Oh, I think you're referring to how the borders are chosen between different voting constituencies -- which some have argued have 'split' conservative/labour strongholds between constituencies making them both lose? Are you saying conservative strongholds have been unfairly split between constituencies?

Also did you read my response to your 'prop rep' post? Do you agree with me? I thought I did quite well on that post ..

 

[Hoodlum]

Somewhat related: Give fixed terms. Getting really tired of failed governments hanging on forever.

 

[britboy4321]

Somewhat related: Give fixed terms. Getting really tired of failed governments hanging on forever.

They have got fixed terms. It's 5 years.

They can call an election early if they fancy ..

 

[Hoodlum]

They have got fixed terms. It's 5 years.

They can call an election early if they fancy ..

No they haven't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_election
"A Fixed-term election is an election that occurs on a set date, and cannot be changed by the incumbent politician."

 

[Tefal]

Somewhat related: Give fixed terms. Getting really tired of failed governments hanging on forever.

But then you have the problem of throwing out successful ones.

 

[Naffa]

That's pretty much the point, I don't care for any particular party, I care about democracy. Being represented fairly regardless of party. Your individual vote "counting" as much as anyone elses. This is the most vital tenant of democracy. The only reason those parties do not support it is because it ensures we only have two viable parties - a duopoly.

I absolutely agree, it is vitally important.

This continual battle of undoing everything the previous party in power did in the first few terms is such a tremendous waste of time. How about putting through sensible, fair and considered proposals that most people can agree on in the first place? Actually progress forward rather than taking one step forward and two back. It's an awfully tiresome situation that the current voting system causes.

I agree with that, but I think it would be the case, regardless of our voting system. One would hope for a change, should a voting reform come about, but I feel the termites of tedium have spread somewhat too far.

If we had proportional representation? We wouldn't be at war, we wouldn't have ever worried about ID cards (the idea wouldn't have gone anywhere) and we would probably have tighter banking regulations.

Absolutely not true, mainly because, if we did have proportional representation at the time of the previous election, Labour would still have won an overall majority. It just would have been smaller. I'd also like to point out that the Tories are for less regulation.

I can make a good argument for less fair systems too. Dictatorships can be fantastic (eg. Look at what Alexander the great did for his people) and the reaction speed is tremendous compared to a democracy. The problem is they can also be terrible.

The Swiss do.

It's the price of democracy I'm afraid. I'm more than happy to endure the pathetic tedium of British politics in the knowledge that I'm not being oppressed by a dictatorship. Although, it does sometimes feel like one is living in an elected dictatorship.

 

[britboy4321]

No they haven't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_election
"A Fixed-term election is an election that occurs on a set date, and cannot be changed by the incumbent politician."

OK sorry my mistake.

 

[izzy eckerslike]

It's interesting to note that one of the first things Cameron has promised to do is lift the ban on hunting with dogs.
This piece of legislation is of course extremely vital to the recovery of the UK & just about everyone will immediately see the huge benefit of being able to take their horses & pack of hounds back out from their semi detached back gardens & freely roam over other equally rich peoples land

 

[Chris1712]

It's interesting to note that one of the first things Cameron has promised to do is lift the ban on hunting with dogs.
This piece of legislation is of course extremely vital to the recovery of the UK & just about everyone will immediately see the huge benefit of being able to take their horses & pack of hounds back out from their semi detached back gardens & freely roam over other equally rich peoples land

I will be amazed if any one who regularly does fox hunting lives in a semi detached!

 

[britboy4321]

Cameron has jumped in bed with big business, in this case the wonderful 'Murdoch' empire. Will weaken the BBC, as Murdich has commanded him to do.

Wow, this Cameron sounds like an outstanding bloke - let's elect him.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/has-cameron-done-a-deal-with-murdoch-1819010.html


(and you thought 'the Sun' suddenly HATING the government was because they actually cared about you? Bwahahaha!)

 

[jas72]

LOL you can tell that most of the people reading here didn't actually live under a tory government.

Good luck to you all no matter which party wins they are all the same telling lies whilst lining their pockets.

I don't care would be a good party to create like Brewsters none of the above... hehe

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Cameron has jumped in bed with big business, in this case the wonderful 'Murdoch' empire. Wow, sounds like an outstanding bloke - let's elect him.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/has-cameron-done-a-deal-with-murdoch-1819010.html

Who wants a strong BBC anyway? If the tories get in -- let's weaken the whole thing so we all have to pay for sky for decent TV. YAY!

You have linked to an article which reports on Mandleson suggesting Cameron has done a deal, with the article asking "Has Cameron done a deal?", and you are interpreting that to mean he has done a deal and they will make Sky's life easier, at the demise of the BBC?

What the heck is wrong with you? You're being reason.

We know for a fact Labour did a deal with Murdoch, because Blair did not have the foresight to see that NI would have backed NuLab anyway. Why? Because they were the obvious winners.

The Sun is just backing Cameron because, believe it or not, they want to back the obvious winner so that they can turn around and say "Look, we called it."

Cameron hasn't needed to do a 'deal' to get The Sun's support.

 

[britboy4321]

You didn't even answer my 'prop rep' post. You keep getting facts wrong. Move along.

 

[robgmun]

Cameron has jumped in bed with big business, in this case the wonderful 'Murdoch' empire. Will weaken the BBC, as Murdich has commanded him to do.

Wow, this Cameron sounds like an outstanding bloke - let's elect him.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/has-cameron-done-a-deal-with-murdoch-1819010.html


(and you thought 'the Sun' suddenly HATING the government was because they actually cared about you? Bwahahaha!)

Sorry but i failing to see where it says cameron has done a deal, just an unelected Labour leader saying it's happened, FUD anyone? You're really rubbish at this....

 

[britboy4321]

Sorry but i failing to see where it says cameron has done a deal, just an unelected Labour leader saying it's happened, FUD anyone? You're really rubbish at this....

Earlier today - you posted

The pension deficit for local councils in England and Wales could hit £60bn this year, Liberal Democrats have said.

honestly, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

(
HINT: think, write, post.

in that order.

Or even better, leave out the last step.)

 

[robgmun]

Earlier today - you posted

The pension deficit for local councils in England and Wales could hit £60bn this year, Liberal Democrats have said.

like shooting fish in a barrel.

(
think, write, post.

in that order.

Or even better, leave out the last step.)

Backup by man on the street confirming this is the case, did you not watch the video? just think! That's all i'm asking you!

EDIT - anyhow, what do you think of mandelson? Do you think it's right he is there in such power when he's not been elected in anyway?

 

[Hatter The Mad]

You keep getting facts wrong. Move along.

What facts have I got wrong?

 

[britboy4321]

Cameron hasn't needed to do a 'deal' to get The Sun's support.

So, the Hatter magically knows that a deal hasn't been done eh? Using .. er .. magic .. and the power of the mind ... and - I guess -- tarot cards??

Come on -- everyone reading knows you're just making this up as you go along.

So, moving along, shall I stop mentioning my retort to your prop rep post? I guess it is a little embarrassing. Ok -- no probs .. we'll chalk that one off if it makes you happier - I'll pretend it never happened ..

 

[Luseac]

105 votes for Labour. Lulwut?