Scots 'drink 46 bottles of vodka'

Who honestly cares? Its only alcohol.

Some people drink shed loads others an average amount.

And all this 3.5billion a year on the NHS, blah blah if the money was not getting spent on dealing with drunkards it would be 3.5billion towards another worthless cause.

Also i love how this thread has turned into a thread about a referendum, lol. Take it from me, its never gonna happen. So get off your nationalist soap box and play nice.
 
As for minimum pricing on alcohol - sod off... I work my harris off, I pay my taxes so why should I, or anyone in the same boat as me, be penalised because some bunker nut cant handle his/her drink and starts fighting etc ??
 
Biohazard said:
Lets wait and see how more discontented we become at the disperancies in the next few years..
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Yep. I can see why the sweaties are so upset at the discrepancies between them and the English.
Great big wedgeloads of money going north over the border every year to support £400 per head NHS spend over England, £4.5 BILLION in simple niceties more than England (that's 20% more per head) thanks to the Barnett formula etc etc.

Also before anyone starts thinking that polically they are badly done to, can someone tell me how many Englishmen are MPs in the wee Scottish Parliament? Now should we compare that to the number of Scots that have been foisted on us in Westminster? Anyone remember the West Lothian question?

All seems a bit one sided doesn't it? ;)


EDIT: Dammit I was just going to have a rant about the Scottish because my heckles are up. But I've thought better of it and deleted my rant. :D
 
hmm is it barnett formula boxing match time now? Its based on late 1970 early '80 populus. Its been recently covered in the lords if you haven't been following. I too can pull out a small aspect of a very complex thing. Well done.

The West Lothian Question is your problem, not ours.
 
SlugForAButt said:
Also before anyone starts thinking that polically they are badly done to, can someone tell me how many Englishmen are MPs in the wee Scottish Parliament? Now should we compare that to the number of Scots that have been foisted on us in Westminster? Anyone remember the West Lothian question?

All seems a bit one sided doesn't it? ;)
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So I'm guessing it hasn't dawned on you yet that the West Lothian question was raised by the then West Lothian MP as he thought that the Scottish Parliament would be fundamentally unfair to English and Welsh MPs.

It was English MPs who were denied any chance of voting on it and properly debating it by the then English PM.

Dont' go throwing anything at the Scots until you've got your facts straight, look to your own MPs if you want to spot the ******* holding the knife. Scotland has a tiny population, small amount of power at Westminster, yet still gets all these hands outs? Do you not think there's a very good strategic reason?

Or perhaps, god forbid the country just has a huge land mass compared to population and most of the islands of the UK which would, unless you live on another planet increase costs for almost everything.

The quicker OCUK members wake up to the fact that the UK is far, far stronger united than it will ever be divided the quicker people can get back to debating worthwhile topics. Does anyone really think that any country will give a damn about England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland if they all went their separate ways? Not a hope in hell, England would be a second rate France at best.

I didn't want a Scottish Parliament and I'm damn sure I won't vote for independence. I actually like the English, married one after all but if it came down to the UK splitting and me staying - hell no I'd be on the first plane out of the UK.
 
Kami said:
No England voted for the Labour Party and got it's leader, you don't live in the USA.
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Ah come off it, you know very well it was Tony's youth and 'things can only get better' that won it.

Regardless of what you tick on the ballot..

He was saying those two scottish muppets were Scotlands problem, I was pointing out it is quite the contrary..
 
SlugForAButt said:
Yep. I can see why the sweaties are so upset at the discrepancies between them and the English.
Great big wedgeloads of money going north over the border every year to support £400 per head NHS spend over England, £4.5 BILLION in simple niceties more than England (that's 20% more per head) thanks to the Barnett formula etc etc.
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The term 'sweaties' is offensive. Scots have such terms for English too but I'm not going to start using them in retort on a public forum. :(

True the NHS spend is greater in Scotland. Possibly partly because of alcohol. But, public spending is less in Scotland in other areas. So we get more of one thing but less of another.
 
I fail to see the point in people throwing insults, and other people taking them personally over a policy that not one person here has had any say in and was brought about near 30 years ago.... Not like anyone here can change it. If its of any consolation - the change to the Barnet formula has been brought up before and will be again.

What I dont seem to get is that, whenever it IS brought up, its always Scotland that is used even though Wales is not that much less and Northern Ireland is even MORE (roughly 30% as opposed to 20% more than England) according to figures I read, so why Scotland is the sole whipping boy over this argument is beyond me :confused:

Debate it by all means but do 2 things which would actually be productive:

1. Refrain, if poss, from unnecessary and inflammatory comments

2. Stop taking them so personally...

In essence, some people need to grow the **** up.... On both "sides" :rolleyes:



Edit: as some ppl can be childish - this is not "sucking up" of any kind... Just quite annoying when the factual and pertinent points are lost and forgotten about in amongst the pish.
 
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Scotland is the second largest nation that's why I'd guess, along with other hot topics like oil, and the wars of independence, 'the auld enemy' etc. Wales doesn't have that, it submitted like a right little bitch.

"Debate it by all means but do 2 things which would actually be productive:

1. Refrain, if poss, from unnecessary and inflammatory comments"

LOL. You have seen the opening post? It obviously set the tone of what was to come..
 
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Richie said:
I fail to see the point in people throwing insults, and other people taking them personally over a policy that not one person here has had any say in and was brought about near 30 years ago.... Not like anyone here can change it. If its of any consolation - the change to the Barnet formula has been brought up before and will be again.

What I dont seem to get is that, whenever it IS brought up, its always Scotland that is used even though Wales is not that much less and Northern Ireland is even MORE (roughly 30% as opposed to 20% more than England) according to figures I read, so why Scotland is the sole whipping boy over this argument is beyond me :confused:

Debate it by all means but do 2 things which would actually be productive:

1. Refrain, if poss, from unnecessary and inflammatory comments

2. Stop taking them so personally...

In essence, some people need to grow the **** up.... On both "sides" :rolleyes:



Edit: as some ppl can be childish - this is not "sucking up" of any kind... Just quite annoying when the factual and pertinent points are lost and forgotten about in amongst the pish.
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This is interesting.
I didn't find recent figures but I did wonder as to the NI figure.
I am amazed that people can consistently drink so much, not individually, but collectively, as an overall average. If NI is more than Scotland, also what should be factored in is the teetotal figure.
I recall (figures 10 years old) that around 27% of the NI population do not drink, what surprised me about the figures at the time, was when they did a religious split, It was equal in both communities around 27%.

Our consumption for actual drinkers must be incredibly high.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
... If NI is more than Scotland, also what should be factored in is the teetotal figure....
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My post was about the money spent per head aka the Barnet argument, not the drinking one... I was saying that NI gets more per head than everyone else (according to figures) and Wales is practically the same as Scotland but its always the latter thats used to compare to England and the other 2 seem to be forgotten about....
 
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