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Don't.
From some of the comments I've seen in The Star in the past, coupled with you driving the car you was, you'll instantly be blamed for everything with absolutely no compassion or understanding.
Just leave it.
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Nearly as bad as Sheffield forum...where anyone under 30 is a criminal, anyone who drives a sports car drives at 100mph everywhere
On the bright side,
"an 18-year-old from Maltby - was driving a Kia Cee'd when it ran out of control on a right hand bend and smashed into a silver Vauxhall Corsa being driven by a 42-year-old woman travelling in the opposite direction."
This guy managed to cause more damage i.e. serious injury to another driver with a bloody kia.
"an 18-year-old from Maltby - was driving a Kia Cee'd when it ran out of control on a right hand bend and smashed into a silver Vauxhall Corsa being driven by a 42-year-old woman travelling in the opposite direction."
This guy managed to cause more damage i.e. serious injury to another driver with a bloody kia.
Lol, some threads on there are terrible. I once saw a 6 page thread because someone could smell weed when they walked to the shops
On the bright side,
"an 18-year-old from Maltby - was driving a Kia Cee'd when it ran out of control on a right hand bend and smashed into a silver Vauxhall Corsa being driven by a 42-year-old woman travelling in the opposite direction."
This guy managed to cause more damage i.e. serious injury to another driver with a bloody kia.
He did mange to kill a kia and a corsa though!
Full of people who eat from bins and collect my taxes from a post office, I'd steer well clear our kid!
Yeah I'll leave the commenting to them...
Again, from what I remember, I was pretty much stationary when the other car impacted. The concrete central reservation pretty much ripped off everything else and brought it to a stop.
When I posted this thread, your post was the first thing that came to mind - just missed this comment!
I was chatting to a guy on MKIV around Christmas time and was going to buy his RLTC once he got some wiring sorted, probably over the next few weeks
Bit late really, quite likely to have made that difference. Love hindsight eh!
Just how bad is the TRAC system that comes as standard on Supras then?
I wouldn't mind an Aristo running at BPU level in the near future and thought that the standard system would have been upto the task, but after reading this I'm beginning to think that I'd have to look towards a RL system considering i'd want to run the car all year round.
I wouldn't mind an Aristo running at BPU level in the near future and thought that the standard system would have been upto the task, but after reading this I'm beginning to think that I'd have to look towards a RL system considering i'd want to run the car all year round.
The stock system is pretty primitive comared. It works, but not always how you'd expect. It is sometimes to the point of being overly intrusive in certain situations and doesn't provide as much control as needed given the type of car it is. I drove a car with the RLTC fitted and set up after some recommendations and there was a noticable difference.
That's a damn large central reservation and 40mph? Hmmm. Island limit happens to be 40 and I spend a damn lot of time doing it, it's pretty "pedestrian" as far as "ability to complete stuff your car" goes. You did not think you were speeding so to manage to put your car across the reservation while accelerating from....20-30ish(?) would have required some hefty loud pedal.
I've been in positions where traction is less than desirable before but if you are being progressive with your inputs the car is not going to rotate 90 degrees in half a second.
Unfortunately for you it seems that you were perhaps a little heavy footed.
I'm no crash investigator, nor a driving god but I certainly do not like reading threads like these in which accidents are attributed to well, occurrences with results that seem to be far different from the description of events. Is that picture of where the cars laid after impact or were they moved? Most of the front end damage seems to be on your drivers side so I'm not sure how you would have picked that up being stationary when impacted by the MPV.
400BHP or not, Twin-turbos spooling or not the car is only going to do what you tell it. Even if you cocked up the correction entirely I reckon standing on the brake pedal would have limited the end result of that...from 40.
Edit - And it sucks you crashed, glad you're ok and sorry about the car. This could be argued to death but I'm rather interested in the debate purely from a "I don't want to take the same mistake" standpoint.
I've been in positions where traction is less than desirable before but if you are being progressive with your inputs the car is not going to rotate 90 degrees in half a second.
Unfortunately for you it seems that you were perhaps a little heavy footed.
I'm no crash investigator, nor a driving god but I certainly do not like reading threads like these in which accidents are attributed to well, occurrences with results that seem to be far different from the description of events. Is that picture of where the cars laid after impact or were they moved? Most of the front end damage seems to be on your drivers side so I'm not sure how you would have picked that up being stationary when impacted by the MPV.
400BHP or not, Twin-turbos spooling or not the car is only going to do what you tell it. Even if you cocked up the correction entirely I reckon standing on the brake pedal would have limited the end result of that...from 40.
Edit - And it sucks you crashed, glad you're ok and sorry about the car. This could be argued to death but I'm rather interested in the debate purely from a "I don't want to take the same mistake" standpoint.
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The central reservation is about as wide as the tram tracks and is also slightly below the road level with concrete dividers either side.
I have already said that in hindsight, that that may well have been a contributing factor + all the rest = result you see in the picture.
Also, the momentum of a relatively heavy car which is already a little loose at the back end, hitting an unexpected reservation edge I'd imagine could quite easily throw it out of any expected trajectory!
That is where the veichles came to rest after impact. As I said, the majority of the damage came from crossing the reservation. I have other pictures but there is no sense in posting them as they are all of a similar quality to that one. It is difficult to see particular details such as the parts of the engine bay (for example, the intercooler looks as if it is sticking out when it is actually bent and pushed to a side) I can say that yes, there seems to be more damage to the driver side - evident in a frontal shot I have of the car - again I'd say this is due to the way in which the car must have come over the reservation.
"400BHP" or not...as things happened so quickly, I couldn't say for sure how responding by braking or anything else would have made a difference. You may be right, but its not something that went through my mind while being jolted and spun around at the time. It was more along the lines of "Holy ****!"
EDIT: Also, not directed at you, Sin_Chase but I quite like how in a thread like this the power figure is always rounded up but one would get slated for even thinking of doing such a thing in any other circumstance
It may just be that the crash damage makes it looks like a MUCH bigger impact than it was. It just seems like a fair old amount of momentum needed to get across the reservation and do that much damage, that looks like a pretty hefty kerb.
I don't care to point fingers, like I said before - more of self-preservation exercise.
Had you done any training days? First time I spun my S was on a training day and nothing prepares you for that other than doing it. Nothing prepared me for just how drama free entering a corner at 85MPH and standing on the brake pedal and letting ABS do its thing was either. I'm not trying to compare this to your accident like it was any kind of get out of jail free card but I am certainly glad I was on a training day within a month or 2 of owning the car. You really have to be giving it loads in the S and be in VTEC to be at any major risk of big drama but even so the experience was priceless.
I don't care to point fingers, like I said before - more of self-preservation exercise.
Had you done any training days? First time I spun my S was on a training day and nothing prepares you for that other than doing it. Nothing prepared me for just how drama free entering a corner at 85MPH and standing on the brake pedal and letting ABS do its thing was either. I'm not trying to compare this to your accident like it was any kind of get out of jail free card but I am certainly glad I was on a training day within a month or 2 of owning the car. You really have to be giving it loads in the S and be in VTEC to be at any major risk of big drama but even so the experience was priceless.
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Yeah it is a big kerb, being a low car didn't help limit the damage it did to the bodywork and underside really.
No I never did any proper skid pan days unfortunately, something I would have (would still) like to do. Would you recommend any places for future reference?
I did an Andy Walsh car limits day as recommended by S2KUK chaps, was in the right area and for a full 9-4 day was well priced. Enough freedom, drive time and sit in help in my opinion.
I know for a fact if I had a "moment" on the roads that required the kind of correction that we were practising on the day I would be in a ditch. I could catch slides but was NOWHERE near prepared enough for the work you have to continue to do after.
I think it is worth doing an airfield day at least once as it gives you more freedom to properly lose the car that you would not get on a track day.
One of the most incredible things was just how little you need to get wrong to seriously mess up the car. Eg - I was holding the steering wheel far too tight and was unable to feel feedback. It sent me spinning on the high speed bend at 50mph when I was told to do it "My way". Next pass was 60mph steering with little finger only and zero drama. My cars geo was pretty bad but I still saw controlled 75MPH high speed bends by the end of the day. That represents 50% more speed just by technique alone.
I know for a fact if I had a "moment" on the roads that required the kind of correction that we were practising on the day I would be in a ditch. I could catch slides but was NOWHERE near prepared enough for the work you have to continue to do after.
I think it is worth doing an airfield day at least once as it gives you more freedom to properly lose the car that you would not get on a track day.
One of the most incredible things was just how little you need to get wrong to seriously mess up the car. Eg - I was holding the steering wheel far too tight and was unable to feel feedback. It sent me spinning on the high speed bend at 50mph when I was told to do it "My way". Next pass was 60mph steering with little finger only and zero drama. My cars geo was pretty bad but I still saw controlled 75MPH high speed bends by the end of the day. That represents 50% more speed just by technique alone.
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Just a word of warning, if they are saying they had to stop the trams for an hour (or however long) and blaming the accident, they may try to claim on your insurance for lost revenue.
Seen that happen before, so be prepared to go with evidence to your insurance company if you think there was no tram interference.
Seen that happen before, so be prepared to go with evidence to your insurance company if you think there was no tram interference.
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Does anyone have any personal experience of and recommendations for skid pan training in the UK?
I have often thought of getting some skid control training when I am in a ski resort but they only seem to operate during valuable skiing hours
Stories like some of those here where people got into trouble while apparently driving sensibly go to show why it could be a life-saver.