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Fermi NDA ends today

I'm still not convinved that it's as salable as they want us to believe. What about cache, the onboard cache they have implemented, will have to be decreased as well. How much of an efficiency drop will there be.

The parts of the chip that are inactive during gameplay but only used during GPGPU applications. Will they be in the scaled down parts. How low of a part will they stop showing up in. Already the GT 310 is a G92 derivative. Plus a few others.

Where is this scaling down there then.
 
Nonsense with the delay.

They indicated that it will be faster than the 5870 (suspecting it to be very marginal).

ATi would have something better on the table by June/July.
It looks like NVidia have just conceded another own goal.
 
Doesn't ATi have like a dedicated Tesselator that runs independently of the rest of the GPU? Mabe these Fermi tesselation figures are so high because the whole GPU (or most of it) is being used for tesselation. Maybe in normal gaming scenarios where GPU most do other things, tesselation performance is reduced significantly.
 
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Of course for purely games, Nvidia needs lots of games to come out loaded with tesselation for the Fermi cores to show their advantage over ATI.

A few water, crowd and flag waving effects in Dirt 2 is hardly going to make much difference to the overall framerate.
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This.

True DX11 games, which has a lot of tessellated stuctures, ain't going to be out for a while yet by that time the second generation of DX11 ATI cards will be out and creaming the GF100 cards at tesselation and everything else. By the time Nvidia get their second lot of cards out it will be time for DX12. :D :D
 
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A few water, crowd and flag waving effects in Dirt 2 is hardly going to make much difference to the overall framerate.
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Have you played it on your 5850? There's an obvious slow down when driving through a DX11 water splash.

If fermi is better at this than the 5xxx series cards then you can be sure that there'll be a game to go with the release, like batman was for physx.
 
Azza said:
This.

True DX11 games, which has a lot of tessellated stuctures, ain't going to be out for a while yet by that time the second generation of DX11 ATI cards will be out and creaming the GF100 cards at tesselation and everything else. By the time Nvidia get their second lot of cards out it will be time for DX12. :D :D
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I doubt it, just look at how long DirectX 9 was around for.
 
Not saying Drunken is 100% correct or even near but if the main argument against his view is that the people at nvidia know what they are doing i would remind people that engineer's all over the world know what they are doing but the people that direct them rarely do. Defence projects being the biggest example where engineer's are routinely ignored and what the desk jockey wants is what is worked on also big budget means bugger all star wars anyone.

I am not a fanboy i want a successful launch from nvidia to keep the competition going and to make things better for us the customer's but i am really not getting the feeling that nvidia themsleve's are confident with fermi. I don't doubt it will beat a 5870 it damn well should do or they should just call it quits now and go home but by how much and how much extra money we will have to part with to get theat improvement is a big question.

That's ignoring the whole power and heat issue's which could be a problem as well. Fact is that nvidia have been caught out badly and are struggling to respond exactly the same situation ati were in a few years ago and hopefully nvidia will come through in the same fashion. I would also like to see intel get things sorted and become a credible mid to high end gfx card producer as right now two player's in the market is looking a little precarious for us customer's.
 
I too have dealts about fermi, if it was a well a master peaice which it is in its own right, but there is something up here, Nvidia is a marketing company, they shout about everything why not about fermi :confused: might be part of thier plan to catch ATI of gaurds but what if its is not, what if its something worst than this, I m not dealting Nv that it can be as fast as the HD5870, none of that, if it was so great surly they would be shouting and yet nothing is coming out, are they having problems that we don't know about?

AMD on the other hand just get on with it with little fuse
 
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I cannot see a single reason for nvidia to have a diamond and hold back on anything they need to stop people buying ati cards and if fermi was everything we have been led to believe they would be giving us everything on it i think.
 
wolvers69 said:
Have you played it on your 5850? There's an obvious slow down when driving through a DX11 water splash.

If fermi is better at this than the 5xxx series cards then you can be sure that there'll be a game to go with the release, like batman was for physx.
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Yes it does slow down but even then it runs at such a good frame rate that it doesn't matter.

That's my point. You need a game with lots and lots of tesselation for it to make a difference. No point having a game slow down from 90 to 60 fps say compared to maybe only 80fps with the Fermi but the crunch comes in a game running at say 30 fps with tessallation off and drops to 15 fps with the ATI and hardly any drop with the Fermi.

Interesting that the both the new, yet to be released games that Nvidia were showing off to the editors with both physx titles again. But like you say, it won't be long before Nvidia gets a game released with so much tesselation that it will bring a 5870 to its knees.

Just not sure which game it will be looking at this years releases. Duke Nukem Foreever perhaps :p
 
When fermi appears, the unigine bench will give us a really good comparison................it's got more triangles than a toblerone factory! :D

What I'll be interested in is the percentage hit to each card when tessa is turned on.
 
the nvidia cards might be amazing im hoping as the competion might drop the 5850's below 200 and the nvidia cards are gonna be expensive so im never gonna bother with them.
does anyone no how big these nvidia cards are gonna be bigger than a 5870 ?
 
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Some benchmark videos from CES have surfaced, whether they're true or not remains to be seen. Pass me a whole dumper truck worth of salt please.

Fermi is the name of NVIDIA's coming DirectX 11 graphics circuit architecture and the launch is slated for Q1 2010. The name of the retail version of Fermi if GF100 and this card have been shown on pictures on several occasions, but no performance numbers have been shared. This changed though as the media embargo lifted and additional details on the Fermi architecture and its game performance was revealed.

Even prior to the media embargo lifted a couple of videos from a closed presentation at CES in Las Vegas leaked onto YouTube. The movies show a benchmark in Far Cry 2 where GF100 hits 84 fps in 1920x1200 pixel resolution with 4xAA and Ultra High settings. The reference cards achieves 50 fps in the same test.
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Source:
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10580.html
 
Not such a shame IMO - tho I have nothing against them - but I don't know anyone whos bought a BFG card in the last 5 years that hasn't had to RMA it.
 
Rroff said:
Not such a shame IMO - tho I have nothing against them - but I don't know anyone whos bought a BFG card in the last 5 years that hasn't had to RMA it.
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Isn't that the point? With other makers you would have to bin them since they don't offer the same length of warranty as BFG?
 
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