Nick Griffin on Haiti

It's all about Britain looking good to the rest of the world. I very much doubt the politicians are sitting there thinking of the terrible situation the people in Haiti are currently in, more about what other countries are thinking of their generosity. Or maybe I'm just a cynical person. :p


God you are cynical you sound like my grandad.
 
As the first Christian (IIRC?) in this thread:

Nick Griffin stop trying to use christianity to support you, we do not support you in any way shape or form. You are a racist little douche.

Well us non-religous people don't want him either.. you can have Dawkins too..

So he's basically saying it's natural disaster, let those involved naturally die instead of attempting to artificially solve the situation by further UK taxes..

I can see the fate argument but "morality, like art, means you have to draw a line somewhere".
 
God you are cynical you sound like my grandad.

Only towards the government, nothing else. Then again, does it surprise you that people think like that when our clueless government is concerned?

Motive is irrelevant. If money is being donated, why does motive matter?

Good point, however I think they'd rather give money away for a cause outside of Britain and look good and generous, than help people at home. I'm not saying nothing is being done here, but a whole lot more could be.
 
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He does make a valid point. We can barely look after ourselves, yet we're throwing money at others. Yes, it is a wonderful gesture - and I'm not saying we should deny any kind of aid, but it is highly illogical to ignore the plight of our own people.
 
Are you serious?

a lot of British people ARE in plight. I got made redundant before Christmas and am now living on £60.00pw contribution based jobseekers allowance. This week the family pet became ill so am now facing either letting him die or going without food myself for a week.
 
Does that mean Nick Griffen will donate to help the aged charities in say..Poland? No I don't think so. Our society and governments may not be perfect but at least we are in a position to help others who really do need it.

Nick Griffin: Helping those in need is not a political decision. Idiot!
 
i must admit, when i heard that we had tripled out contribution to the haiti fund. my first impression was how can we afford that?

i can appreciate the situation the poor guys over in haiti are in. but are we not essentially borrowing more money to give away in aid?
 
i must admit, when i heard that we had tripled out contribution to the haiti fund. my first impression was how can we afford that?

i can appreciate the situation the poor guys over in haiti are in. but are we not essentially borrowing more money to give away in aid?

Exactly, all we hear is how bad off our economy is and how there is not enough money or funding for our own National health service and then all of a sudden millions get plucked out of thin air to help someone else.
 
Look, if our country couldn't afford to spare (and I'm pretty sure they already budget for this sort of stuff) a few million in charity, then I would be very, very scared. The economy in this country is far bigger than you realise. A few million quid is just a drop in the ocean.

The money is more likely an international gesture; it's not going to go very far.

Exactly, all we hear is how bad off our economy is and how there is not enough money or funding for our own National health service and then all of a sudden millions get plucked out of thin air to help someone else.

Stop throwing your bloody toys out of the pram and think about this will you. Our economy is in a bad state - it's been burned and its recovering - but economies go through bubbles, we just happened to experience one bursting; it's perfectly normal, we're going to be alright.

Sure, people aren't finding it easy at the moment - I sure as hell aint - but how would that money we've given away - which is relatively tiny - actually change anything in this country? Either way, that money is just throwing a trivial sum at something far grander. At least in Haiti, it can be immediately felt without having to trickle down the system. The government hasn't just stolen this money from somewhere or summed it up to give to someone else, don't be ridiculous. It's been there all along, for this exact reason: international aid.

As part of the first-world and part of an integrated national community, we have such an obligation to other countries. The days of closing our doors and sticking the finger up are long gone, you need to realise this. In fact, if that was the attitude we did take, I guarantee you that we'd come out of this recession in a much sorrier state than we are at the moment.

You don't know what you're talking about, so do everyone a favour and stop screaming from the hilltops will you.
 
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The government have money set aside for this sort of thing. It doesn't effect our way of life, your benefits or the price of dog food.
 
Look, if our country couldn't afford to spare (and I'm pretty sure they already budget for this sort of stuff) a few million in charity, then I would be very, very scared. The economy in this country is far bigger than you realise. A few million quid is just a drop in the ocean.

The money is more likely an international gesture; it's not going to go very far.
So where does all that budgetted charity money go for all those years when it isn't needed ? Certainly not to increase our soldiers fighting over seas warehouse wages, or on a better healthcare system, or to help bail the banks out. All we get told is that there is no money and that we need to pay more out in taxes to cover the short fall, it's sickening.
 
The government have to decide which group to help first and what groups or situations get prioritised as well as how much can be given.

I think most individuals will agree the Haitians affected by the earthquake are presently in more need of aid than UK pensioners - most of whom at least have access to shelter, water and other essentials.

You also have to bear in mind the amount pledged by government is miniscule in comparison to spending on benefits, Afghanistan and a whole host of others services or initiatives people may disagree with.
 
Regardless of the problems here the folks in Haiti are not in this position by choice and deserve the help of those that can afford to do so
 
Look after No 1 I say.

Indeed. We have enough troubles of our own.

Any money given to Haiti will end up in the pockets of corrupt gangsters anyway.

I say **** Haiti, look after ourselves.

Regardless of the problems here the folks in Haiti are not in this position by choice and deserve the help of those that can afford to do so

Exactly, our country is nigh on bankrupt, we can't afford anything!

I don't vote BNP but I fully agree with Griffin on this one.
 
The government have money set aside for this sort of thing. It doesn't effect our way of life, your benefits or the price of dog food.

at the moment it doesnt.

but im pretty sure there has been talk of cuts of services and the rate of national insurance increasing.

dont get me wrong ive got nothing against giving aid. but when your 175billion in debt wont it just make the problem worse? even if it is a drop in the ocean.
 
Exactly, all we hear is how bad off our economy is and how there is not enough money or funding for our own National health service and then all of a sudden millions get plucked out of thin air to help someone else.

Millions. To our government, that's nothing. Not even a drop in the ocean. Our economy might be in the crapper, but we still have orders of magnitude more money than Haiti, and every other "poor" country out there. Giving aid to these people might raise our petrol price by 1 or 2 p. Can you really say you'd begrudge them that?
 
a lot of British people ARE in plight. I got made redundant before Christmas and am now living on £60.00pw contribution based jobseekers allowance. This week the family pet became ill so am now facing either letting him die or going without food myself for a week.

The plight of the haitians is much worse than even your inflated plight [compare what you have, not what you don't have]

Pesonally. I don't distinction of "Our own people" because of the patch of soil one group of people happened to be born on. Theyre all humans to me.
 
So where does all that budgetted charity money go for all those years when it isn't needed ? Certainly not to increase our soldiers fighting over seas warehouse wages, or on a better healthcare system, or to help bail the banks out. All we get told is that there is no money and that we need to pay more out in taxes to cover the short fall, it's sickening.

The government faff about with the budget every year. How am I ever going to be able to honestly say without refined research what happens to that part of the budget? For all I know they roll it over, or they pinch from it to artificially lower your tax in some area.

I seriously suggest you actually read up on some financial history and on some contemporary economics because at least then you'll understand why things play-out the way they do.

The money, as I've said many times now, is nothing compared to what we do have. The money is better spent feeding those in need from a natural disaster than it is from throwing into a money-pit in this country where it'll never be seen or noticed. We budget for this stuff, it's already there on paper to give away. They haven't stole your lunch-money to pay for this; your JSA hasn't gone down. The country hasn't suddenly broke out into civil unrest; just where is the damn problem? Because to me, it just seems like you're just a very angry, selfish person who's suckered into poor opinion because it reinforces your prejudices.
 
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