No my jobseekers hasnt gone down, I was just made redundant after 10 years solid work because of our governments ridiculous way of handling things. I may very well be angry and selfish but I believe I have earnt that right. How much have you personally donated so far ?
Nick Griffin on Haiti
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No my jobseekers hasnt gone down, I was just made redundant after 10 years solid work because of our governments ridiculous way of handling things. I may very well be angry and selfish but I believe I have earnt that right. How much have you personally donated so far ?
This pretty much sums it up, the uneducated and the ignorant.
You can't in any way compare what's going on in the UK with what's happening in Haiti right now.
And that was the Haitians fault was it?
I have to agree with that I'm afraid. However bad your position may be, there's millions who are worse off than you in the world, not just Haiti. There are people who can't afford to eat, can't afford even basic medicines etc and have a truly terrible quality of life. There's no way you and Nick Griffin have a point here in my opinion.
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Sadly that is untrue when you look at the membership.
The UK has pledged £20m for humanitarian relief - I'm not sure of the rebuilding aspect yet I'm guessing it will be a similar amount in 10's of millions.
To put things into perspective: MP's expenses alone are £88m, £300m on broadband and laptops for children, £5.3b on ID cards, £12b on an aborted NHS computer system, the Olympics - the list goes and on..
To put things into perspective: MP's expenses alone are £88m, £300m on broadband and laptops for children, £5.3b on ID cards, £12b on an aborted NHS computer system, the Olympics - the list goes and on..
I personally was referring more to individuals
I think one has to think about how we would like this scenario to play out, in the ideal world. Well, I suppose ideal world, there isn't an earthquake - but let's say that's unavoidable...
...why wouldn't we want to help these people? They are living, breathing human beings, like everyone posting on this forum, that are currently experiencing extreme suffering. The foul, putrid stench of tens of thousands of dead friends and family members, rises from piles of rubble that, a week ago, were the local market or hospital or bar. Hundreds of thousands are on the brink of going hungry, being thirsty, having their health deteriorate. Without sufficient aid this has the potential to turn in to an humanitarian disaster on an unforgettable scale.
The people in Haiti are part of our species, living on our planet, breathing our air. When the children of this earthquake grow up they will be contributing to our society. We are not somehow separate from what is going on there. We live on a tiny island a tiny distance from where the devastation is, and we have the ability and capacity to help.
The long-term positive effects to the entire of global society are far, far greater than any short-term cost of facilitating aid.
...why wouldn't we want to help these people? They are living, breathing human beings, like everyone posting on this forum, that are currently experiencing extreme suffering. The foul, putrid stench of tens of thousands of dead friends and family members, rises from piles of rubble that, a week ago, were the local market or hospital or bar. Hundreds of thousands are on the brink of going hungry, being thirsty, having their health deteriorate. Without sufficient aid this has the potential to turn in to an humanitarian disaster on an unforgettable scale.
The people in Haiti are part of our species, living on our planet, breathing our air. When the children of this earthquake grow up they will be contributing to our society. We are not somehow separate from what is going on there. We live on a tiny island a tiny distance from where the devastation is, and we have the ability and capacity to help.
The long-term positive effects to the entire of global society are far, far greater than any short-term cost of facilitating aid.
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You're in "plight" because you cannot afford to keep a family pet, and you are comparing yourself to citizens of Haiti? You're disgusting.
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You don't understand. Many of us just plain don't care about Haiti. I am annoyed at the taxes WE paid going to another country. I am very sure that they would not help us if he had a disaster, even if they did have money.
Why is the life of a family pet of 8 years any different to a human life ? How much have you donated ? All these liberal hippies that keep spouting off about humananity probably haven't donated a single penny to haiti.
I think you are incorrect if you think the people of Haiti wouldn't want to help us if we were in a difficult situation. People want to help people. It's a built in set of emotions we have; empathy, sympathy. It's why we want to help them. We are fortunate enough to live in a society which is able to somewhat represent our desires, and so our society gives. If Haiti were to not help us if we were in trouble, it would be the actions of an undemocratic government, not the true feelings of the Haitian people. In this situation it really is the Haitian people who will suffer. The "government" is just some entity.
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There is a difference between not caring about X and claiming you are in "plight".
Why are you asking me this? I am not asking anyone to choose between one or the other, I am condemning him referring to his situation as "plight" in the context of a terrible natural disaster.
I donated a small sum split between UNICEF, Oxfam and Non-Believers for Haiti Aid. I'm not a liberal hippy, either.
Plight is subjective ? I for one will not be donating a penny to a stranger when I have troubles of my own to deal with, no matter how big or small.
You could have saved us a lot of time if you'd included this in your OP.
Surely you could have used your powers of deduction after reading the OP to find my stance on the subject ?
What, that you're just a horrible person? Yeah, we've got that message coming through loud and clear right now.
LOL at you trying to look down your nose a 'liberal hippies' like that's a bad thing. Grow up.
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Couldn't have been said better.