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Fermi NDA ends today

maybe only way to find out is wait till the cards are released to see how the system works.....bottom line hurry up Nv :p

also to Nvidias advantage you don't need a expensive DP monitor but than again, going by these its not a problem http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-038-DE&groupid=17&catid=949&subcat= unless you want a 24inch screen, over wise its that hit or miss sapphire thing

oh yeah adding to ATIs advantage, they can have 6 rather than just 3
 
AMG said:
maybe only way to find out is wait till the cards are released to see how the system works.....bottom line hurry up Nv :p

also to Nvidias advantage you don't need a expensive DP monitor but than again, going by these its not a problem http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-038-DE&groupid=17&catid=949&subcat= unless you want a 24inch screen, over wise its that hit or miss sapphire thing

oh yeah adding to ATIs advantage, they can have 6 rather than just 3
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Now that you mention it, it's actually far more than 6, they had a flight sim being displayed across about 12 monitors I think via eyefinity and a 2 5870 6 cards (the ones with 6 DP outs).
 
I m not sure if these 3 output fermis once you mention can have 3 screens each if not that can be seen as a disadvantage, meaning that they are about equal in pros and cons.

also to ATI advantage of being cheaper potentially, I ve only seen one 3 screens high to my surprise
 
kylew said:
I think the nVidia versus ATi surround gaming consists of two main points.

nVidia pros:

Don't need an expensive DP>DVI adapter, great if you've got 3 1080p 120Hz screens.

Cons:

Only supports up to 1920x1080x3

ATi pros:

Supports 2560x1600x3

ATi cons:

Requires at least one DP monitor or an expensive DP>DVI adapter, seems to have issues with 120Hz.

I think it's a shame that the nVidia cards can "only" do triple 1080p, however, realistically, how many more people are more likely to run triple 1920x1080 than they are triple 2560x1600?.
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another pro for nivida's system is that it supports the previous or should i say currant g200 boards. :)

kylew said:
Also, I wonder if you drop the refresh rate back to 60, will the nVidia cards support over triple 1080p?

Personally, I don't see *that* much issue with nVidia's cards "only" doing triple 1080p, the positives outweigh the negatives at least anyway, huge increase in support for surround gaming.
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GF100 supports 3D Vision Surround when two or more GPUs are paired in a SLI configuration. 3D
Vision Surround will be supported across three of the same 3D Vision capable LCDs and projectors at
resolutions up to 1920x1080. For those not ready to jump into stereoscopic gaming, NVIDIA Surround
will also be supported in non-stereoscopic 3D at resolutions up to 2560 x 1600 across displays that
share a common resolution.
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taken from thier white paper
 
kylew said:
I think the nVidia versus ATi surround gaming consists of two main points.

nVidia pros:

Don't need an expensive DP>DVI adapter, great if you've got 3 1080p 120Hz screens.

Cons:

Only supports up to 1920x1080x3

ATi pros:

Supports 2560x1600x3

ATi cons:

Requires at least one DP monitor or an expensive DP>DVI adapter, seems to have issues with 120Hz.

I think it's a shame that the nVidia cards can "only" do triple 1080p, however, realistically, how many more people are more likely to run triple 1920x1080 than they are triple 2560x1600?.
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another pro for nivida's system is that it supports the previous or should i say currant g200 boards. :)

kylew said:
Also, I wonder if you drop the refresh rate back to 60, will the nVidia cards support over triple 1080p?

Personally, I don't see *that* much issue with nVidia's cards "only" doing triple 1080p, the positives outweigh the negatives at least anyway, huge increase in support for surround gaming.
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GF100 supports 3D Vision Surround when two or more GPUs are paired in a SLI configuration. 3D
Vision Surround will be supported across three of the same 3D Vision capable LCDs and projectors at
resolutions up to 1920x1080. For those not ready to jump into stereoscopic gaming, NVIDIA Surround
will also be supported in non-stereoscopic 3D at resolutions up to 2560 x 1600 across displays that
share a common resolution.
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taken from thier white paper
 
kylew said:
Nah, there are supposed to be FERMI cards with 3 outputs, 2 DVI one HDMI.

One bad aspect is the resolution you're limited to though, 3x 1920x1080.
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Not true. Even Nvidia's website says you need two cards in SLI for 3 screen support.
 
So a redo on it than

ATI
Pros
can go to the max res of the monitors if they are all the same in that way IE all capable of say 1920x1200
can have more than 3 monitors
compatible with most games

Cons
Don't work in crossfire (yet) or in very few games
need a hit and miss active converter or a expensive monitor with DP
Does not like 120Hz much (maybe fixed soon)
can get expesnive with monitors/ GPU and converter

Nvida pros
No need for display port
backwards compatible with the GTX2xx cards
get support for 3D vision and phyX( if you care about that)

Cons
Need two cards in SLI
need 120Hz screens for 3D vision which than in tern caps it at 1080 max
and most likey more expensive, with needing two cards and a potential need for 3 120Hz screens which don't come cheap :p

they seem about equal to me, most of ATIS cons seem to be driver related issues.

have I missed anything?
 
yup both sides seem pretty much similar. of course its early days for both camps and on the whole things will only improve now that games will be starting to allow for these extra wide resolutions, seeing as both camps have provison for them.
 
Greebo said:
Not true. Even Nvidia's website says you need two cards in SLI for 3 screen support.
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How odd, I know for sure that I've seen unconfirmed nVidia cards with 3 display outputs.

I suppose it'd make sense, if they haven't built their cards from the ground up with the intention of supporting 3 screens, using 2 cards would obviously be the solution, bit of a shame really.
 
it does seem to be a bit of a slap in the face to what nvidia was saying earler though dosnt it. they say that they have been sitting on this multi monitor stuff for a good while, hence the fact that it works on the 200 series, and yet thier new up and coming gpu's only support two outputs at once.

yet another case of the pr/marketing boys cocking it up.
 
Loowi_ashley said:
I'm a bit confused after the last 2 days worth of threads, has the main NV card (£500+) actually been delay till June+, or is it just the mainstream cards that have?
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Nothing is delayed to June.
The high end parts are on course for the March delivery, and the mainstream part are on schedule for their original June release.
 
Loowi_ashley said:
I'm a bit confused after the last 2 days worth of threads, has the main NV card (£500+) actually been delay till June+, or is it just the mainstream cards that have?
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no just the mainstream cards, which i would say means the under £100 varriants, and of course nvidia say there not delayed but that is when they planned to release them....:)


edit...beaten too it....:)
 
the only reason i say the under £100 varriants, is to mean that cards like the gtx260, 4870/90 and even the 5770 are not what i would call mainstream cards whereas the 4850 gts250 and 5670 are.
 
Bit late i know but why wasn't batman AA benched as that has been the one game nvidia has chucked about frequently but nothing of that at all instead they go for farcry 2. I am hoping for the best but expecting lower then that there is just something wrong here given how they normally hype things and i am not convinced at all by any company's benchmarks. We all know damn well be it ati or nvidia they only choose what makes the hardware look best although this time there seems to have been a tight limit on what they showed.

As for all the name calling and suchlike i would dearly love to see mods throwing some bans about as i think thats the only way now to stop it and why people feel the need to constantly get personnal about other members all the time baffles me. Highlighting a percieved bias every now and then in a non abusive way i can sort of understand but the constant attacks get tiresome and make the forum less pleasant.
 
kylew said:
How odd, I know for sure that I've seen unconfirmed nVidia cards with 3 display outputs.

I suppose it'd make sense, if they haven't built their cards from the ground up with the intention of supporting 3 screens, using 2 cards would obviously be the solution, bit of a shame really.
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From my understanding and what I've read upon, Nvidia are using a software alternative rather than hardware similiar to SoftTH. Both have their advantages but ideally this would be better to be hardware supported.

Also the reason for needing these extra equipment (DP adapter, extra card for SLI), is the fact that they only have 2 controllers on the board (I'm not even going to try and explain what its called as i dont know :p), and as they are very costly adding a third would be useless and add unnecissary amounts of cash onto the overall price, as a very small percentage of people actually use multiple monitors.

So it makes sense for the enthuisiasts to have to invest in an extra card or expensive adapter.

Both companies will have thought this out already, so its pointless to bash either company as they have looked after the mainstream, which is rightly so the best way to do it.
 
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