Nick Griffin on Haiti
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Why should people have to announce their charity donations. They are private and should remain that way.
Be interested to see your sources.
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1000's of years from now, they will treat us like a virus, and stop us spreading into space.
With slavery still ongoing in Africa, we are still capable of creating more **** holes like Haiti.
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quite a good speech wonder if they all gave there attendance allowance for the day probs not
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That speech is just 3 lines of the bloody obvious which no-one will argue with which is then twisted homebound by the line about the old people dying at winter (newsflash, they die in summer as well) followed by the unleashing of bull**** & hate.
The line about I'll give my fee if you ALL do was priceless. People like this guy trying to get some leverage out of this disaster is almost as bad as the bloody scientologists flying over there to do "touch assists" and other such crap.
The line about I'll give my fee if you ALL do was priceless. People like this guy trying to get some leverage out of this disaster is almost as bad as the bloody scientologists flying over there to do "touch assists" and other such crap.
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so basically if someone killed your dog you would be pretty upset then?
Also i hate to break the bad news to you but it seems that you actually are a hippie. (Dont get mad at me i didnt make the who is a hippie laws)
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I agree with none of that, in fact it's selfish, ignorant and stupid. I feel very much human, and part of the entire race. Could not care less which broken up bit of rock I was born on, what happened in Haiti is devastating, every human should want to help if they can, just like we should all want to help the old dears who are dying of cold (although I feel he over-exaggerated), not one or the other. I don't value people more or less due to their nationality, but I do know that an earthquake is a disaster and those people need help. Simple. To deny them that help because we want to continue our cushty life here is disgusting and selfish.
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The Millenium Dome cost £789mil. The current ID card scheme will cost anywhere between £5.4bil and £18bil. The central NHS IT database is estimated to cost £12bil.
If we can't spare a £20mil for people who've got no homes, no food and no water then that's a very sad state of affairs.
If we can't spare a £20mil for people who've got no homes, no food and no water then that's a very sad state of affairs.
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If only 
Mr Griffin is only out to make cheap political capital as per...it's really very predictable and shows what a tiny 1 dimensional brain is at work despite the facade of respectibility he seems to have garnered in some quarters recently.
Whilst it would be obtuse to try and say that we don't have pressing issues at home which need looked at, what kind of country would we see ourselves as if we couldn't offer at least some small amount of assistance to a nation which has/is going through a scale of natural disaster we simply cannot imagine?
Taking the heating thing as a specific example - this year has seen the highest payouts for a long long time due to the consistently cold temperatures. Now again, I'm not saying there won't be exceptions, but the payout in December was large enough for people in our village to have bought a tonne - yes, a tonne! that's not a figure of speach, that's literal - a tonne of coal. So, people have a choice...buy a tonne of coal, keep their heating on nigh on 24/7 for 3 months...or (as I have observed in SOME cases) go out and blow it on festive presents, booze or whatever. Like I say I'm sure there are genuines cases of fuel poverty in this country but this year has been one of the better years for those who rely on cold weather payouts..
Surely IF we can afford to bail out financial institutions to the extent we have (even if not everyone agrees with it) then this is but a tiny gesture of support which we can easily afford? In a world where the dollar is king and so many people are only really out to feather their own nests (politicians, company execs whatever) then it is only on rare occasions like this where there is some semblance of humanity shown, that we get some small comfort and a stark reminder that charity is needed and can help in the face of huge adversity.
Whilst it would be obtuse to try and say that we don't have pressing issues at home which need looked at, what kind of country would we see ourselves as if we couldn't offer at least some small amount of assistance to a nation which has/is going through a scale of natural disaster we simply cannot imagine?
Taking the heating thing as a specific example - this year has seen the highest payouts for a long long time due to the consistently cold temperatures. Now again, I'm not saying there won't be exceptions, but the payout in December was large enough for people in our village to have bought a tonne - yes, a tonne! that's not a figure of speach, that's literal - a tonne of coal. So, people have a choice...buy a tonne of coal, keep their heating on nigh on 24/7 for 3 months...or (as I have observed in SOME cases) go out and blow it on festive presents, booze or whatever. Like I say I'm sure there are genuines cases of fuel poverty in this country but this year has been one of the better years for those who rely on cold weather payouts..
Surely IF we can afford to bail out financial institutions to the extent we have (even if not everyone agrees with it) then this is but a tiny gesture of support which we can easily afford? In a world where the dollar is king and so many people are only really out to feather their own nests (politicians, company execs whatever) then it is only on rare occasions like this where there is some semblance of humanity shown, that we get some small comfort and a stark reminder that charity is needed and can help in the face of huge adversity.
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FOrgive me if I misread it but, he's not saying we shouldn't help, he's simply questioning why we can magic up 10million to help them over there, while not finding 10 million to help the old with their fuel bills. He's not saying its disgusting helping them coloured people, he's saying, why can we always find money for these causes but not the ones at home.
Ideally, we'd give 10million to them, or 50million, and 10-20million to subsidise the elderly's fuel bills, and spend 100million less elsewhere on crap we don't need.
In which case doesn't he have a point? Its just odd that we simply can't afford to help the old people with their fuel costs, but the second anything like a tragedy happens in Haiti, the money is suddenly available.
I also personally massively dislike this, its a problem, throw money at it type solution.
Firstly the "pot" for cash over there is huge at the moment, what they need is something to spend the money on and ways to get the things its spent on, in there. They don't need another 10 million this second, or for weeks or months from now(while incidentally the elderly need the money for fuel now, and they won't need it in 2 months from now). We should be organising aid to the tune of 10million, spare food, old blankets, tents people don't actually use, things we've already paid for and are sitting around doing nothing that these people need. Get it all loaded onto planes and drop the stuff off there. 10million in cash sitting in an account for 5 months before it gets used isn't helping, 10million in actual aid getting their now, would make the difference between life and death.
While here, fuel bills simply cost money, theres no other subsitute and its needed now.
Ideally, we'd give 10million to them, or 50million, and 10-20million to subsidise the elderly's fuel bills, and spend 100million less elsewhere on crap we don't need.
In which case doesn't he have a point? Its just odd that we simply can't afford to help the old people with their fuel costs, but the second anything like a tragedy happens in Haiti, the money is suddenly available.
I also personally massively dislike this, its a problem, throw money at it type solution.
Firstly the "pot" for cash over there is huge at the moment, what they need is something to spend the money on and ways to get the things its spent on, in there. They don't need another 10 million this second, or for weeks or months from now(while incidentally the elderly need the money for fuel now, and they won't need it in 2 months from now). We should be organising aid to the tune of 10million, spare food, old blankets, tents people don't actually use, things we've already paid for and are sitting around doing nothing that these people need. Get it all loaded onto planes and drop the stuff off there. 10million in cash sitting in an account for 5 months before it gets used isn't helping, 10million in actual aid getting their now, would make the difference between life and death.
While here, fuel bills simply cost money, theres no other subsitute and its needed now.
We already spend £2.7bn on winter fuel allowances.
Steal the dog and send it to Haiti TBH.
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I hate to break the bad news but a Hippy is someone who loves the world 'Peace man' and would do something to help.
How could you get that so wrong?
I hate this crappy attitude that crops up every now and again. It reminds me of the vocal opinion of the stereotype of the loud American republican: "If my tax money isn't spent on anything but me then it's a waste - anyone else problems are purely their problems".
As opposed to the American Democrat: "TAX AND SPEND TAX AND SPEND".