Nick Griffin on Haiti

[Biohazard]

Some of our towns and cities were funded by slavery, Bristol for example being one due to the 'Triangular Trade Route'. Slaves didn't build our houses, they were working in the sugar and tobacco plantations. Tea was from China and India, where it was likely to be indentured labour rather than forced. So, if you fancied a quip at the white-man's burden here, you'd be better off sucking on your pipe.

White mans burdon? oh ha ha.

1833 act was brought in everywhere except land held by the 'East India Company'.. money still to be made obviously.

It touched almost everywhere in the country before the end, Glasgow being almost entirely build on slave money. The legacy continues to this day. Scots had a bad reputation for being hard on the whip especially, the blood is on the hands of many..

I grant you not a lot of black people were walking around here in bondage, but some were brought here none the less. Slave ships came and went, after the firsts attempts to curb slavery.

We broke the mould by realising it couldn't go on forever, that profit could still be extracted without those means. We lost our empire, and realised that Smith's free trade would be the only way our backwater washed up country could make it in the future.

You have your view, I have mine. We are still floating on our slave history, and the compensation paid then does not even start to equal the liquidity it gave us for the years to come.

 

[Darkst4r]

And they say that the BNP does not appeal to the uneducated Dear oh Dear. You have been bleating on about being out of work for two weeks and facing a choice of your family pet or eating.

So no redundancy then that you are entitled to from the government ?. You do also realise that you can get low cost animal care from the RSPCA ?

It would be foolish to suggest that the money given to Haiti could not be used here. But as a tax payer for a number of years who was also made redundant for a short period, I am more than happy for some of my hard earned taxes to try and help those less fortunate who are in a true crisis like this

The only "bleating" here seems to be you. Yes I will be entitled to a certain amount of redundancy pay, NOT from the goverment though and as I'm sure you are aware it takes a long time to come through. My pet has developed a respiratory disease/infection that unless treated asap could kill him in days or at least bring him past the point of recovery.

I have looked into subsidised medical care for pets but do not fall into any of the PDSA's catchment areas and so do not qualify, I also am not living in rented accomodation being paid for by the government so that also rules me out of any help.

I'm not, and never did compare my situation with that of anyone in Haiti but people like you have enjoyed twisting things to make an arguament throughout the thread.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

BS, see above.

How exactly is basic maths BS? 400 goes into 20 million 50,000 times, hence that's 50,000 extra people who could have a winter fuel payment in this country, or money used to cover the winter fuel payments that are already made, and hence by used to benefit this nation in some other way.

 

[Chronictank]

I think its a good gesture we send aid, if Britain was ever hit by a disaster of the scale wouldn't you rather people donated to help us get back on our feet or everyone just keep to their own?

Lots of little ammount sum up to be a large ammount which can make a big difference, to us that ammount is almost insignificant which people have said previously

 

[blade007]

No I don't think the 20million is getting handed out to the people at all stop trying to twist what I have said.

The money will most likely be shifted off to the Haitian government & they aren't exactly known as the saints of the world are they now? Maybe a few charities & organisations as wozencl said also.

I'm not really concerned no, I just feel that the vast amount of money being sent that way at the moment will be going to line the pockets of a corrupt government. Yes maybe a fair amount of it will be used to aid the people of Haiti.

If I could afford a plane ticket out there right now I would gladly go & help in their efforts to fix/rebuild the country.

quite right. none of the donated cash gets dumped in a bank account because everyone knows it will get frittered away. Charities and Aid agencies use it to buy food, blankets, clothes, fuel, .. that sort of stuff.

 

[MattTheTall77]

Hang on, you seriously believe this? A human life should always be considered more important than that of an animal.

You're in "plight" because you cannot afford to keep a family pet, and you are comparing yourself to citizens of Haiti? You're disgusting.

tbh I'd let all of haiti die before my dog, if that makes me disgusting then fine

 

[Mucky_Pup]

tbh I'd let all of haiti die before my dog, if that makes me disgusting then fine

No, it makes you a person who look's after their own responsibilities, not the responsibilities of others. I'd do the same for my cats, because when I got them, I took on the responsibilities of owning pets.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

No, it makes you a person who look's after their own responsibilities, not the responsibilities of others. I'd do the same for my cats, because when I got them, I took on the responsibilities of owning pets.

There is a difference between 'looking after your own responsibilities' and condemning 200k people to death in the name of a flipping cat or dog.

 

[Briton]

It seems to me that Griffin is as bad as Richard Dawkins here - exploiting the Haitian earthquake to further their own cause. It's completely unacceptable.

Do you seriously believe that Dawkins is of the same order of that racist bigot?

 

[robgmun]

yes, because his hate and igronace runs just as deep

 

[dirtydog]

Nick Griffin is right on the money as usual.

There is a somewhat tempting grain of truth in what he says, but the fact is that despite our economic crises, banking failures, idiot governments, etc, we still have far more money to spare than Haiti does. We still enjoy a very high standard of living compared to the rest of the world. From that point of view, I simply fail to see any legitimate ethical argument against us giving aid to those worse off than us.

We don't have ANY money to 'spare' - we are hundreds of billions in debt. Any money we give is created out of thin air and comes out of ALL our pockets because it devalues the existing money supply.

Any of us who hold sterling have thus donated to Haiti whether we like it or not.

 

[PMKeates]

I still haven't heard a valid reason why we shouldn't help these people who are clearly suffering. All I've heard is misplaced patriotism.

Agreed. I think it's quite sad that we still continue to demote ourselves to selfish behaviours based on invented differences. We are all genetically 99.99% the same. The way we think, the way we exist, the way we cry.

I don't see the sense in talking about the Haitian's as if they are somehow different.

 

[Briton]

yes, because his hate and igronace runs just as deep

What a lot of nonsense. Any 'hate' Dawkins may have, and I don't know if he'd describe it like that, is for ideas. It's proposperous to compare him to someone of Griffin's ilk.

Could you explain Dawkin's 'ignorance' and how it runs as deep as Griffin's?

 

[Gackt]

What I find interesting is that it is only natural disaster that evokes this "WE MUST HELP THE UNFORTUNATE" when people starve to death and die from disease every day. You smash down people for saying "Well, what about our people who are dying without proper help?" and yet try to take the moral highground with "THERE HAS BEEN DISASTER, IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT HELPING THEN YOU ARE COMPLETE SCUMBAG".

 

[ColdAsIce]

I knew the slavery argument would crop up eventually, what a load of rubbish. Slavery existed way before Britain got into the act. Also I guess if many of Britain's towns and citys are built from slave money then I guess no african nation should be accepting any donations from Britain of any kind, with it being "blood money" and all...

My only problem with helping the Haitians is where does it end? There are 192 nations in the United Nations so why is it the buck always seems to stop with Britain and America?

Why is it we jump at the chance to give aid to the Haitian plight but ignore the countless other atrocities happening in the world that are as bad but not caused by a natural disaster?

How many billions and billions of pounds every year have been thrown at Africa yet nothing changes?

I really think we need a whole new way of dealing with things and sorting priority's.

 

[PMKeates]

I really think we need a whole new way of dealing with things and sorting priority's.

I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. The buck should not stop with America and Britain. Every country should be ready to commit some of it's resources to aid, reconstruction and development support in all of the impoverished areas of the world. No-one should be needlessly suffering from disease or hunger, or have no access to clean water and education. The disparity between the "well-off" in the Western world and the poor in the developing world is absolutely immense. Something should be done to address that disparity and to empower our fellows in the developing world to really make something of themselves.

The priorities need to be set to ensure that the fundamentals of a healthy, prosperous and happy life are in place for everyone. Achieving this will contribute immensely to long-term global success.

Sometimes I dream about what an alien race would think of us, on our minuscule speck of sand drifting through space. They would look down and see the suffering and impoverishment, the wars and the humanitarian disasters, and think we are a species of brutes. No amount of nice kitchens or big TVs would offset that.

 

[wordy]

Darkst4r: You should've got pet insurance. But failing that get in touch with the PDSA.

Nix: There is a certain irony to your posts, you claim to be coming form a morally superior standpoint but are dishing out the insults like the best 15 kids out there.

Those who think the Hatians wouldn't lift a finger to help us if the roles were reversed: You're probably right, I've spent a number of months in the West Indies and can say I only witness 1 act of unconditional kindness, the rest of the time if you weren't spending money then the local's opinion ranged from not wanting to know you to open hostility.

Yes we should give aid like Nix has pointed out it is the right thing to do.
Yes we should be giving our troops better equipment and better salaries, it's the right thing to do.
Yes we should ensure the elderly get and take all the aid they need, again it's the right thing to do.
But the three are not mutually exclusive, there is plenty the gov'mnt can do to to make all three happen, srcap the ID badge project, cut benefit to 1,000's of people we all know very well don't dserve them, scrap the laptop/broadband scheme for those on benefits.

 

[Briton]

My only problem with helping the Haitians is where does it end? There are 192 nations in the United Nations so why is it the buck always seems to stop with Britain and America?

As far as natural disasters go, it will never end, and it will not just be America and Britain who come the aid of the victims. I don't where you get that idea from.

 

[ColdAsIce]

As far as natural disasters go, it will never end, and it will not just be America and Britain who come the aid of the victims. I don't where you get that idea from.

I understand it isn't simply UK and America but when it comes to percentage of Aid/resources we are at the top consistently.

 

[weescott]

tbh I'd let all of haiti die before my dog, if that makes me disgusting then fine

How modest of you.

No, it makes you a person who look's after their own responsibilities, not the responsibilities of others. I'd do the same for my cats, because when I got them, I took on the responsibilities of owning pets.

It's nothing to do with responsibilities, it's about sacrifice for those in need.

There is a difference between 'looking after your own responsibilities' and condemning 200k people to death in the name of a flipping cat or dog.

Exactly. However I would have the same stance if it was sacrificing a human life to save 200,000 people.

Let's go all Christian like the good man Nick Griffin . Jesus was sacrificed by God for the human race. Yet people say they wouldn't sacrifice a pet.

People really are selfish and self centered.