Poll: Which party will get your vote in the General Election?

Which party will get your vote in the General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 704 38.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 221 12.1%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 297 16.2%

  • British National Party

    Votes: 144 7.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 36 2.0%

  • UK Independence Party

    Votes: 46 2.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 48 2.6%

  • Don't care I have no intension of voting.

    Votes: 334 18.3%
  • Total voters
    1,830
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britboy4321 said:

I don't understand what you're saying so won't respond to it -- could you try again?
I don't understand what you're saying so won't respond to it -- could you try again?
I don't understand what you're saying so won't respond to it -- could you try again?
I don't understand what you're saying so won't respond to it -- could you try again?
What you are saying is just too simple. Therefore .. er .. I don't want to talk about it.



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Funnily enough you've totally blind-sided me with the 'actually, I've now decided it's too simple to talk about' bit. I'm absolutely stumped. Can't think of anything to say!
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*sigh*

The issue is not that it is too simple, the issue is that you have oversimplified a complex situation in your approach, and are complaining about any attempt to put the bits you completely ignored in your decision back on the table.

Most of your arguments in this thread have had little basis in reality, and you wonder why people ask you to explain and clarify how you have arrived at such a position before they feel they can counter it?

To compound the issue, when you do confirm the logic behind your thoughts, it's clear they are fallacy based, not logic based, and as such trying to argue you out of them is very difficult, because you've convinced yourself of something based on a load of nonsense that you have, for some reason (apparently a very heavy pro-labour bias) decided are valid arguments for a position or event. I do have to admire the insults you level at people for being unable to see your particularly special brand of thought process as being valid as well, it certainly enhances your case when it comes to convincing others...
 
Brown asked to explain cutbacks in Pakistan counterterrorism programmes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/21/brown-counterterrorism-pakistan-kinnock

The Foreign Office (FCO) is trying to deal with a shortfall of £110m, a figure expected to grow in 2010-11, due to fluctuations in sterling. But Lady Kinnock, the minister for Africa and the UN, caused astonishment last night by disclosing that programmes to tackle terrorism and radicalisation in Pakistan had been hit as a result.
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Only if there are members of staff that are doing exactly zero work, ever. If they are doing 5 minutes work per week -- dumping them (and taking the money saved away) will mean as a total for the organisation you get 5 minutes less work done per week, hence obviously the service will suffer.
 
britboy4321 said:
Only if there are members of staff that are doing exactly zero work, ever. If they are doing 5 minutes work per week -- dumping them (and taking the money saved away) will mean as a total for the organisation you get 5 minutes less work done per week, hence obviously the service will suffer.
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You assume that the work they are doing is necessary for the end the result. If the work has no significant impact on the end result, then the work can be removed without any impact on the final service...
 
britboy4321 said:
Only if there are members of staff that are doing exactly zero work, ever. If they are doing 5 minutes work per week -- dumping them (and taking the money saved away) will mean as a total for the organisation you get 5 minutes less work done per week, hence obviously the service will suffer.
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Say you have 10 people doing 5mins of work per day. Less than an hour.

Why not sack them them all for being lazy and taking the **** and replace them with 1 person doing the same work as 10?
 
Dolph said:
You assume that the work they are doing is necessary for the end the result. If the work has no significant impact on the end result, then the work can be removed without any impact on the final service...
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Indeed. The trouble is that no-one knows anyone who'se presence has zero impact on the end result.

The conservatives 'big efficiency gain' -- if you read the small print .. is 'we will reduce the budget to department x by 25% and they have to find the efficiency savings'. The departments are of course screaming from the rooftops 'We don't know how to without effecting our service, instead if you force this budget on us we're just going to have to provide a worse final service'.

The conservatives do not know that 'Mr Smith who does accounts just surfs youtube all day' nor do they claim to. They're just reducing budgets and saying 'Do what you can with 25% less dosh'. Anyone that thinks nothing will get worse due to this in frankly mistaken.
 
robgmun said:
Say you have 10 people doing 5mins of work per day. Less than an hour.

Why not sack them them all for being lazy and taking the **** and replace them with 1 person doing the same work as 10?
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Because they are not going to reinvest ANY the money from dumping those 10 people back into the public sector. They have already said they're gonna use it to pay off the national debt instead.
 
Again you are looking at it in simple terms, and not seeing the complexty of the situation. You can cut 9 jobs and save money, as 1 person can do the same work. Simple economics is beyond your grasp, you have admitted this a while ago and you have successfully proved that
 
britboy4321 said:
Indeed. The trouble is that no-one knows anyone who'se presence has zero impact on the end result.

The conservatives 'big efficiency gain' -- if you read the small print .. is 'we will reduce the budget to department x by 25% and they have to find the efficiency savings'. The departments are of course screaming from the rooftops 'We don't know how to without effecting our service, instead if you force this budget on us we're just going to have to provide a worse final service'.
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Sounds like management problems to me then... Tackling attendance within the public sector would be a significant start.

http://www.personneltoday.com/artic...-sector-outstrip-private-sector-by-55-in.html

The conservatives do not know that 'Mr Smith who does accounts just surfs youtube all day' nor do they claim to. They're just reducing budgets and saying 'Do what you can with 25% less dosh'. Anyone that thinks nothing will get worse due to this in frankly mistaken.
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Labour poured money into the services hand over fist, can you say that was well spent, given the evidence from the ONS and others to the contrary?

NHS example

If the money wasn't well spent in the first place, then removing it won't impact services significantly because adding it didn't impact services significantly.

This is without again pointing out that we simply can't afford the level of spending Labour have been doing, excessive spending resulting in massive increases in debt is one of the biggest challenges facing the country, and it is not related to the recession or the bank bailouts as you have already been shown.
 
robgmun said:
Again you are looking at it in simple terms, and not seeing the complexty of the situation. You can cut 9 jobs and save money, as 1 person can do the same work. Simple economics is beyond your grasp, you have admitted this a while ago and you have successfully proved that
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The tories don't know which 9 jobs to cut. They've asked the management to tell them. The management have answered 'We don't know which 9 jobs to cut'.

What now?
 
britboy4321 said:
The tories don't know which 9 jobs to cut. They've asked the management to tell them. The management have answered 'We don't know which 9 jobs to cut'.

What now?
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If management doesn't know they are as useless as the workers, the rot in public sector is deep if that's the case, i hope the tories knock a few heads together
 
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