Brothers who tortured kids are given 5 yrs

anticonscience said:
Are the two boys who were attacked alive?
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Yes, astonishingly.

Seems to have a lot of parallels with the James Bulger case, the kids there were given, IIRC, 10 year minimum tariffs, although they were released after 8 years when they turned 18.
 
This was truly a terrible story to read about. I can't even begin to comment in how disgusted I was when I red about it.

I hope the kids are locked up forever, regardless of whos fault it was for bringing them up that way.
 
I can't see how they'd ever be safe enough to be let out really, if I was supreme ruler of the world I'd have the little ****'s fed to the lions tbf.
 
Ok just reading the BBC coverage on the story...it seems like its the social services that are being blamed somewhat...i dont get this honestly i mean we have had instances in the past ie Victoria Climbie and that Baby P are 2 that come to mind, that had social services being blamed for their demises as they didnt do enough to protect the children.

Same thing with this, it seems like social services were heavily involved but yet they did nothing....ok so no one could predict the attack or the severity but honestly when are these social services going to get it right??:confused: I mean whats the point of social services when they cant see that kids are under extreme threat and then completely and utterly failing these children??.
 
I'm starting to think that there is a need for a "parenting license"

A lot of problems ranging from the extreme as outlined in the story posted by the OP right down to low level anti-social behaviour must to some extent be held accountable for by the parents.

When I was young I knew that if I stepped out of line I'd get eaten alive by my parents. If the local beat bobby caught me up to no good he'd take me home and then I'd be in real trouble with my parents.

Soft cannot be arsed parents have a lot to answer for. Parenting isn't easy (and yes I have raised a child) and people shouldn't do it unless they are willing to put the effort in.

Steel fist in a velvet glove.
 
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Shouldn't the carers be held to account in cases like this? After all, they raised them to be like this, it's not as if the brothers were old enough to make decisions like this themselves.
 
bledd. said:
I almost cried when I first read about the kid saying "just leave me to die" to his friend :(
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It was heart breaking to read that....i mean i couldnt ever imagine being in that position where you are being brutally tortured and abused beyond your wildest dreams. Its heart rending but also sickening as well because i imagine that the physical but more importantly the emotional scars that these kids will have to carry for the rest of their lives...no child should ever have to go through this sort of trauma.
 
As usual there are people all over the place, suggesting that this was the fault of the parents.

Well they have not helped, but they never told their children to commit this heinous crime.

When i was younger i had a really bad upbinging.

My father was an alchoholic wifebeater.
I suffered physical and mental abuse, lived in childrens homes, and eventually a foster home, but when i left school i went straight into work, and was employed full time, right up until i had a life threatening illness.

Neither i, my brother or sisters, who went through the same as me, felt the need to commit acts of this nature.

Some people are just born with these nasty instincts within them, they knew what they did was wrong, they just decided that it didn't matter.

They deserve everything they get and then some more.

As a father of a 13 year old this sort of thing worries and saddens me.
 
Werewolf said:
Aye Tefal, the Judge has to give a Minimum a recommended and iirc the statutory sentence, and explain the reasons and law behind them.


So minimum sentence 5 years, likely sentence given it's inditerminat, and some of the comments from the professionals that the Judge has to listen to and base the decision on is probably a much much longer time (I get the impression one of them may never be released).


Some people might be suspicious of the papers motives when it comes to only ever reporting the minimum rather than recommended sentence (unless the person being sent to prison is a "hero" for some reason in the eyes of the paper), and never including any part of the reasoning that has to be given (by law) with the sentence.
Me, I wouldn't dream of suggesting that the papers only report what they want to report, and what fits in with their agenda.
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well maybe they should publish the gap between 'recommended' sentence lengths and 'actual' sentences served?

why publish the recommended sentence if they dont even serve the minimum? see Bulger case as an example.

too many things, like 'good behaviour' and shoddy jail systems allow offenders to get out well before they should.

The judge spoke of criticisms about the involvement of social services with the boys and their 'dysfunctional' family.

He said: 'It's not for me to apportion blame but I do know criticism has been levelled against social services and child protection agencies for not intervening earlier.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...distic-attack-jailed-years.html#ixzz0dLbjE1sl
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er how about they apportion blame to their parents? not everything is the governments fault. responsibility starts at home.
 
Sad story :(

I see the DM didn't miss their opportunity to get a cheeky jab in at the Child's Play films. Have they ever even watched them ffs? Bandwagon jumping monkey ****ers.
 
Of course the tricky thing here is, it's almost entirely the fault of their upbringing. The two of them could be considered not too blame...

However, when they were committing these horrible acts they, at the end of the day, new how aweful it was... They must be held accountable at least at some level.

Now, if their upbringing has made them like this, what are their other five brothers like?


I heard that when the first victim had raised the alarm, and a group of police and locals formed to find the missing victim, the two boys turned up along with their father. At this time the two boys didn't admit to carrying out the assault in order to help pinpoint the missing victim, but worse still the father was heard to be saying the two boys had been with him all afternoon so could not be responsible!

Why is he not being charged with perverting the course of justice?
 
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The 2 brothers lived in the same area me, I didn't know of them but have a couple of friends who lived a few doors down from them and apparently they've been causing trouble for years, smashing up cars, terrorizing neighbours and so on. I also briefly know one of the relatives of one of the victims and there's supposedly a lot more which went on which didn't make the media, she wouldn't go into details and I didn't want to ask but it just makes you wonder what state of mind these people are in. Plenty of people grow up in "broken homes" but they don't go round torturing/sexually assaulting children, especially at such a young age.
 
This was a really bad story, it really made me feel for the poor boys. In my eyes, a crime like this is worth their childhood and most of their prime years, about 35 - 40 years seems right
 
anticonscience said:
So sad. :(

Who has failed this boys? Society? Parents?

It's such a sad story.
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THATS WHERE THE PROBLEM STARTS!

Shouting for a reason. What you have stated, thats the problem. There is no responsibility, no self-responsibility. You've just removed it by asking who failed the boys. They failed. They failed society by their actions. They are old enough to know what they did was wrong.
Stop looking to shift the blame.
If these two kids were taken and publically shredded, and the footage placed on youtube, and well advertised that any doing the same would suffer the same fate. no one would do it again.

I am not suggesting brinign back hanging, but how about we bring back a little bit of responsibility, so the govt doesn't have to set a new law each week to tell us what we can and can't do. Let people make up their own minds on what they want to do, but utterly brutalise them if they go over the well predefined lines.

I would publically shred these two, I don't care what remorse they have shown, they could serve as a shining example of deterrant to everyone else in the country and it'll save the taxpayer half a million or more in jailtime and a similar amount to generate them new identities.
 
sounds like their mother was half the problem...says their dad used to beat her etc...but it never said why she didnt leave him, or why she got with him in the first place.

maybe if her kids hadnt watched voilence/torture with no end game recriminations they wouldnt have acted so similarly?

then it says their dad also growed weed, yet he wasnt inside?

the family have ineffect failed themselves to become part of a civilised nation.
 
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