Chemical Ali is executed in Iraq

lowrider007 said:
I just think it's a 'barbaric' and an unethical form of punishment that rarely serves as a deterrent, I think in cases like these where the crimes of the individual in question are so serious and extreme we ('as a collective') have the chance to make a statement and show the world that we don't have to lower ourselves to their level, that we are better people.
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Don't get me wrong, I agree. But he was tried by an Iraqi court so the decision to execute him was not ours to make.

Or are you making a distinction between 'us' and terrorists?
Yes we shouldn't operate at their level
 
lowrider007 said:
Do not condone death sentences on any level, we are no better than him by killing him, you have to rise above your emotions in these cases and be the nobler person.
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I agree with the first part. Death sentences seem pointless to me as they're only as good as the fear they instil while he is waiting to die. Once he's dead, he's dead. For crimes that warrant a death penalty I think a far more effective way of administering justice is to make the criminal suffer as much as possible in jail ect.

I think death penalties are a medieval form of punishment born out of fear of the person to be honest. I'd rather have let him rot somewhere.
 
lowrider007 said:
Do not condone death sentences on any level, we are no better than him by killing him, you have to rise above your emotions in these cases and be the nobler person.
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so we should pardon him, give him healthcare, a house and benefits in birmingham while other people in the world who did not commit mass murder die for lack of clean water?? or even more expensive put him in prison?
 
edscdk said:
so we should pardon him, give him healthcare, a house and benefits in birmingham while other people in the world who did not commit mass murder die for lack of clean water?? or even more expensive put him in prison?
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No, where did I say that we should pardon him?, I just don't think that he should have been executed that is all, and you can't let the price of keeping someone detained be a determining factor of whether that person should be executed or not, that's highly unethical imo, we have to do what is 'right', even if that means we suffer in the process.
 
lowrider007 said:
No, where did I say that we should pardon him?, I just don't think that he should have been executed that is all, and you can't let the price of keeping someone detained be a determining factor of whether that person should be executed or not, that's highly unethical imo, we have to do what is 'right', even if that means we suffer in the process.
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A female mountaineer was on R4 the other month(?), forget her name.

She was climbing some (again forgot the name) extra large mountain with a local guide. Also climbing it as a separate party was an American woman who was doing it to raise money with some bloke. They met before the climb.

On the way back down they found the aforementioned bloke, he was dead in the snow. Then further on, the woman who was on the way to freezing to death and apparently in a bad state of mind, gibbering.

She and her guide left her.

There was no secret about it but she receives hate mail saying she should have done "something". No specified something, just insisting that there must have been some way they could have brought her down.

Not arguing for the death penalty just against your point of having to do what is "right" even if you have to suffer for it.
 
Hotwired said:
Not arguing for the death penalty just against your point of having to do what is "right" even if you have to suffer for it.
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Yes I've heard this story before and if I remember correctly it has happened a few times on Everest.

First of all not helping an injured party is not the same as actively putting someone to death even though both actions can result in the same outcome.

This is quite an interesting moral/ethical dilemma tbh and one that is very similar to the trolley problem (web link) and I understand were your coming from but at the same time your definition of righteousness 'may' be different from mine, you are presuming that the 'right' thing to do in my ethical/moral code would be to help the injured party, but if I understand correctly these people that are found in this state have practically zero chance of surviving so logically regardless of ethics trying to save them and risking your own lives in the process would be pointless.

But like I said this is a hard one, your essentially weighing up the consequences of action and inaction which is tricky tbh.
 
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lowrider007 said:
We as a race of human beings on this planet shouldn't be killing people as a form of deterrent/punishment, the Iraqi government are people the same as we, and in today's 'global' society that shouldn't be allowed to take place that's my opinion.
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The world doesn't work like that I'm affraid.

He has been dealt with, the coalition forces invaded, dethrowned Sadam's regime and they were brought to trial, your global society in action.
 
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