Poll: Which party will get your vote in the General Election?

Which party will get your vote in the General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 704 38.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 221 12.1%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 297 16.2%

  • British National Party

    Votes: 144 7.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 36 2.0%

  • UK Independence Party

    Votes: 46 2.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 48 2.6%

  • Don't care I have no intension of voting.

    Votes: 334 18.3%
  • Total voters
    1,830
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Hatter The Mad said:
I agree in some respects it is much better, but execution has been poor. NHS management has doubled by 100% over the last decade, but front-line staff by only 40%. Why?
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When they took over it, there was a cronic shortage of managers, meaning the front-line staff could just doss around all day without risking being told off. Which was a bad thing.

Of course, you presume the number of managers vs front-line staff was PERFICK' when labour took over. Hence your 'soundbite' statement above. Don't worry, fairly common mistake this one. (And don't say 'source' - whenever I do and prove you wrong again you reword what you said in the first place, then say 'I insinuated/assumed/presumed/was joking/.. er .. basically thats what I meant earlier honest guv haha'!)
 
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Rich_L said:
Yeah, worth noting when it jumped 50% in 5 years too and who was governing the country at the time..

Wonder if Cameron will mention that in his next 'broken Britain' speech?
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The question is whether the tories will be like every single other tory government over the last 50 years.

Dolph and Hatter say 'no, they're not even going to damage public services'. The conservatives say 'yup, for example, we're definately going to damage public services'. I know who I believe ..
 
britboy4321 said:
The question is whether the tories will be like every single other tory government over the last 50 years.

Dolph and Hatter say 'no'. The conservatives say 'yup'. I know who I believe ..
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I want them to be more like the Tory governments of the last 50 years than the Labour ones, given the absolute economic and social mess that has accompanied any extended period of labour leadership. (if we're going for historical comparisons). We need to move to a responsibility and opportunity based culture, and Labour's values and policies run counter to this idea, while maintaining appropriate and efficient levels of support for all.

Labour make things look and seem good for some due to inappropriate, unsustainable policies. The Conservatives remove these policies to the benefit of the country as a whole.
 
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britboy4321 said:
When they took over it, there was a cronic shortage of managers, meaning the front-line staff could just doss around all day without risking being told off. Which was a bad thing.

Of course, you presume the number of managers vs front-line staff was PERFICK' when labour took over. Hence your 'soundbite' statement above. Don't worry, fairly common mistake this one. (And don't say 'source' - whenever I do and prove you wrong again you reword what you said in the first place, then say 'I insinuated/assumed/presumed/was joking/.. er .. basically thats what I meant earlier honest guv haha'!)
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Are you going to comment on the figures from the NHS I linked to above showing that average waiting time has got worse for operations under Labour despite the billions of pounds of money thrown at the service?

Does this not suggest that the problem is not money, or at least, not entirely money?
 
Another of Labour's ridiculously authoritarian and unsafeguarded laws torn apart by the supreme court... Because they never went through parliament correctly to create it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8482630.stm

Is this sort of contempt for process and people the sort of thing we want to see continued after the election?
 
Dolph said:
Another of Labour's ridiculously authoritarian and unsafeguarded laws torn apart by the supreme court... Because they never went through parliament correctly to create it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8482630.stm

Is this sort of contempt for process and people the sort of thing we want to see continued after the election?
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Labour have created more than one piece of new legislation for every day they have been in power. Legislation has had to be rushed though the Commons and does not get properly debated in the Lords, so we end up with weak laws full of wholes.

It also costs us a fortune too - the MoJ spends eyewartering sums having to issue additional guidances to judges to cover up the holes in the rushed legislation.

Not to mention the disgrace of Labour's love of headline legislation - i.e. "Longer prison terms for knife crime" gets rushed though parliament and makes a good news story, but what you don't get told about is the additional 'guidance' issued to judges, which spells out things like the terms should be halved if they plead guilty, reduced if they came from a 'troubled' background, etc etc.

It takes the public for a ride, makes a mockery out of the Commons and the Lords, and costs us billions in 'legislation chase up'.
 
Got forwarded this today, thought it was appropriate for this thread!


A little girl was telling her visiting uncle what she’d like to do, when she grew up.

“I want to make sure that poor people in this country get enough to eat and warm clothes to wear in winter”, she said.
Her left-wing parents were delighted. “Welcome to the Labour Party, darling”, they cried.

“That’s good”, said her uncle, “But you don’t have to wait until you’re grown up. Come round to my house, weed my garden, mow my lawn and do some housework. I’ll give you £50, then we’ll go down to the shopping centre and find that homeless man who sleeps in shop doorways. You can give him the money, then he can buy food and some warm clothes from a charity shop”.

The little girl thought about it and then asked her uncle “Well, that’s fine, but why not get the homeless man to come round to your house ? He can do the work, you can pay him, then he can buy his own food and warm clothes”.

Her uncle smiled. “Welcome to the Conservative Party, darling”, he said.
 
Rich_L said:
Yeah, worth noting when it jumped 50% in 5 years too and who was governing the country at the time..

Wonder if Cameron will mention that in his next 'broken Britain' speech?
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robmiller said:
I don't think those things have happened in the last thirteen years, and I'm confident that the only credible alternative in the upcoming elections will perform worse by those criteria (which are some of the criteria I prioritise most highly, especially income equality) than Labour will.

I'm not entirely happy with Labour and with the last thirteen years, of course, I just think they're the most appealing of those parties which stand any chance of forming a government.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_01_10_inequality.pdf
 
A little girl was telling her visiting uncle what she’d like to do, when she grew up.

“I want to make sure that poor people in this country get enough to eat and warm clothes to wear in winter”, she said.
Her left-wing parents were delighted. “Welcome to the Labour Party, darling”, they cried.

“That’s good”, said her uncle, “But you don’t have to wait until you’re grown up. Come round to my house, weed my garden, mow my lawn and do some housework. I’ll give you £50, then we’ll go down to the shopping centre and find that homeless man who sleeps in shop doorways. You can give him the money, then he can buy food and some warm clothes from a charity shop”.

The little girl thought about it and then asked her uncle “Well, that’s fine, but why not get the homeless man to come round to your house ? He can do the work, you can pay him, then he can buy his own food and warm clothes”.

Her uncle smiled. "Because he has no legs and can't work and the conservatives reduced his benefit so much he lost his house has to beg. Bwahaha we're even richer though .. rofl funny eh? Welcome to the conservative party.'
 
britboy4321 said:
A little girl was telling her visiting uncle what she’d like to do, when she grew up.

“I want to make sure that poor people in this country get enough to eat and warm clothes to wear in winter”, she said.
Her left-wing parents were delighted. “Welcome to the Labour Party, darling”, they cried.

“That’s good”, said her uncle, “But you don’t have to wait until you’re grown up. Come round to my house, weed my garden, mow my lawn and do some housework. I’ll give you £50, then we’ll go down to the shopping centre and find that homeless man who sleeps in shop doorways. You can give him the money, then he can buy food and some warm clothes from a charity shop”.

The little girl thought about it and then asked her uncle “Well, that’s fine, but why not get the homeless man to come round to your house ? He can do the work, you can pay him, then he can buy his own food and warm clothes”.

Her uncle smiled. "Because he has no legs and can't work and the conservatives reduced his benefit so much he lost his house has to beg. Bwahaha we're even richer though .. rofl funny eh? Welcome to the conservative party.'
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The girl went back to the labour party, to find that not only the man with no legs, but a great many able bodied people, some of whom were pretending to be ill, were now trapped in a cycle of poverty due to the amount they get in benefits not being enough, but outstripping the amount they could earn due to obsession with principle over reality meaning their schools were rubbish. The daughter of the family was pregnant at 14, but was happy she would get a house of her own when she turned 16. The family had completely lost any prospect of independence or responsibility, and instead sat their blaming their situation on everyone else while doing nothing to change things.

The girl looked back at her parents and said "But this isn't what I wanted", and the uncle stepped in again "unfortunately there are always unintended consequences of well meaning state interference in people's lives, often worse than the problem that was being treated in the first place... This is why we try to keep government intervention only to the necessary, because we know that government is far from infalliable, and that taking money under duress from one group and throwing it at another does not actually ensure people have a good life..."
 
britboy4321 said:
Like shooting fish in a barrel ..
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Are you saying underage pregnancies haven't risen under Labour?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/feb/27/teenage-pregnancy-rates

(especially not that we are talking a proportional rise this time, the actual conception rate in absolute terms has risen year on year throughout Labour's term in office)

I suppose you could argue that births have gone down because abortions have increased...

http://www.poverty.org.uk/24/index.shtml

Also note the background that this effects most...
 
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