Poll: Which party will get your vote in the General Election?

[Dolph]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...o--cut-incapacity-benefit-claims-1797748.html

Can you spell L O L ???


(You still don't understand what a vote for the tories actually stands for do you? You still don't know what right-wing actually means, do you?)

That is not a story about cutting incapacity benefits, but ensuring they are going to the right people and not used to hide unemployment. The change is a result of the move from incapacity benefit to jobseekers allowance following medical assessment, not a change in incapacity benefits.

Thanks, try again.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...o--cut-incapacity-benefit-claims-1797748.html

Can you spell L O L ???

What is so funny? I asked you for your source earlier, and all you said was:

I did in the last sentence of my post.

And the last sentence of your post was:

Welcome to the conservative party.

With no link to a source.


Besides the point, this isn't a source. I don't quite see this as a cut of benefits for people who are incapacitated - all you have seemed to have done is read the designed-to-trigger-a-emotive-response headline and not the article. The article clearly says people would just need to be judged more rigorously to see if they deserve the benefits (and, as we know, incapacity benefit fraud costs us millions, so this is a good thing).

All 2.6 million claimants of incapacity benefit will be required by an incoming Tory government to take rigorous medical tests to see whether they could hold down a job.

 

[RDM]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...o--cut-incapacity-benefit-claims-1797748.html

Can you spell L O L ???

That isn't a cut in incapcity benefit.

(You still don't understand what a vote for the tories actually stands for do you? You still don't know what right-wing actually means, do you?)

[/quote]

Left and Right wing doesn't really tell you much about a party these days. Pretty much everyone would agree that the BNP are a right wing party yet most of their economic policies are far left. If you use the political compass model instead the difference between the current Labour party and the current conservative party isn't all that big.

 

[britboy4321]

That is not a story about cutting incapacity benefits, but ensuring they are going to the right people and not used to hide unemployment. The change is a result of the move from incapacity benefit to jobseekers allowance following medical assessment.

Thanks, try again.

Thats just lolworthy! Leave us alone Dolph -- we're talking seriously here ..

 

[Dolph]

Thats just lolworthy! Leave us alone Dolph -- we're talking seriously here ..

How convincing, you misrepresent an article then resort to argumentum ad hominem when called on it.

At least you are consistent in your inability to argue on evidence and reliance instead on fallacy.

 

[britboy4321]

So, for 10 points and a chance to go for the car, if the conservatives decided every single person in the country apart from people in comas were healthy enough to hold down a job, so incapacity benefits paid out could be changed to virtually zero - would this be described 'an awful cut in incapacity benefits' or 'just getting ***** scroungers back to work'?

Be intellectually honest now .. I know you want to pretend, to twist, to bend -- but go for the truth -- just try intellectual honesty on for size ..

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Left and Right wing doesn't really tell you much about a party these days. Pretty much everyone would agree that the BNP are a right wing party yet most of their economic policies are far left. If you use the political compass model instead the difference between the current Labour party and the current conservative party isn't all that big.

Exactly.

 

[RDM]

Be intellectually honest now .. I know you want to pretend, to twist, to bend -- but go for the truth -- just try it on for size ..

Why ask for something from people that you yourself are unable to do? As you are pretending, twisting and downright lying about what the conservatives are going to do? And again back to the "--" what is that supposed to mean?

 

[britboy4321]

How convincing, you misrepresent an article then resort to argumentum ad hominem when called on it.

At least you are consistent in your inability to argue on evidence and reliance instead on fallacy.

OK Dolph, you have outwitted me at every turn. you are amazing, I am awful. You are the best, I bow to your awesomeness.

There - no longer for you to reply to anything I say anymore, so I can have a chat with these other lads uninterrupted without your kinda random (but of couse awesome) responses. if that's ok with you?

 

[Hatter The Mad]

if the conservatives decided every single person in the country apart from people in comas were healthy enough to hold down a job, so incapacity benefits paid out could be changed to virtually zero - would this be described 'a cut in incapacity benefits'

It would be a real terms cut in incapacity benefits, but it probably won't happen. It is not a Conservative policy. It is against Human Rights legislation. There is no current indicator to suggest this will happen, nor is there a historical precedent that pertains to modern day.

 

[Dolph]

So, for 10 points and a chance to go for the car, if the conservatives decided every single person in the country apart from people in comas were healthy enough to hold down a job, so incapacity benefits paid out could be changed to virtually zero - would this be described 'a cut in incapacity benefits' or not?

Be intellectually honest now .. I know you want to pretend, to twist, to bend -- but go for the truth -- just try it on for size ..

No, it wouldn't. The incapacity benefit would stay exactly the same, the qualification criteria would have been revised, and the overall bill for the government would be cut.

The benefits eligible for might have changed, and there may be a cut in the amount of money received by the individual, but it is not a cut in incapacity benefit.

Quite how you could come to any other conclusion using the english language and logic I have no idea. Anything else could only be the result of pretending, twisting or bending the truth to fit an agenda.

 

[britboy4321]

Why ask for something from people that you yourself are unable to do? As you are pretending, twisting and downright lying about what the conservatives are going to do? And again back to the "--" what is that supposed to mean?

You can't do it can you. You can't actually answer the question.

Dodge, duck, dive, dodge and duck....

(ps HATTER managed it. Go on, lets see if you can do it. Just give it a go, just try it on for size - answering a question honestly.)

 

[Dolph]

You can't do it can you. You can't actually answer the question.

Dodge, duck, dive, dodge and duck....

Oh the ironing...

Have you answered my point about the average NHS waiting time for operations increasing under Labour and how it compares with your position that Labour have improved the NHS yet, preferably with sources?

 

[RDM]

You can't do it can you. You can't actually answer the question.

Dodge, duck, dive, dodge and duck....

 

[Hatter The Mad]

You can't do it can you. You can't actually answer the question.

Dodge, duck, dive, dodge and duck....

Ironic.

 

[britboy4321]

Oh the ironing...

Well made me smile! Don't worry Dolph, we all hate it. You got a lot left to do?

 

[Dolph]

Well made me lol.!

It's supposed to

 

[robgmun]

Got forwarded this today, thought it was appropriate for this thread!


A little girl was telling her visiting uncle what she’d like to do, when she grew up.

“I want to make sure that poor people in this country get enough to eat and warm clothes to wear in winter”, she said.
Her left-wing parents were delighted. “Welcome to the Labour Party, darling”, they cried.

“That’s good”, said her uncle, “But you don’t have to wait until you’re grown up. Come round to my house, weed my garden, mow my lawn and do some housework. I’ll give you £50, then we’ll go down to the shopping centre and find that homeless man who sleeps in shop doorways. You can give him the money, then he can buy food and some warm clothes from a charity shop”.

The little girl thought about it and then asked her uncle “Well, that’s fine, but why not get the homeless man to come round to your house ? He can do the work, you can pay him, then he can buy his own food and warm clothes”.

Her uncle smiled. “Welcome to the Conservative Party, darling”, he said.

Nice

 

[robgmun]

So, for 10 points and a chance to go for the car, if the conservatives decided every single person in the country apart from people in comas were healthy enough to hold down a job, so incapacity benefits paid out could be changed to virtually zero - would this be described 'an awful cut in incapacity benefits' or 'just getting ***** scroungers back to work'?

Be intellectually honest now .. I know you want to pretend, to twist, to bend -- but go for the truth -- just try intellectual honesty on for size ..

I'd go for the 'just getting ***** scroungers back to work'

Thanks, now where my car? Knowing you and the party you support it would be a clapped out banger, or worse.....a Lada

 

[britboy4321]

I'd go for the 'just getting ***** scroungers back to work'

Thanks, now where my car? Knowing you and the party you support it would be a clapped out banger, or worse.....a Lada

So someone with downs syndrome, the mental age of a 3 year old, and no arms or legs (but NOT in a coma), you'd describe getting them off incapacity benefit as 'just getting ***** scroungers back to work'?

Wow you really are the true traditional tory blue. Thanks for your honesty actually seriously I do appreciate it. Most tories daren't even answer the question with how they actually feel (of course).