To those who dislike UK "immigrants"

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I'm more than happy for decent, honest and hard-working people to settle here. I don't feel "we" have any more a claim to the soil than anyone else. We are all part of the same race of beings on the same planet.
 
Just read an intresting article on The Sun website (i know :/)

There is nothing wrong with Immigration. I believe that everyone has the right to live wherever they choose BUT they must obey the laws of the country and work, not sponge off the state.
 
Cyanide said:
It's the system that gets to me more than the people. If you ever watch thing like UK Border Force on Sky you'd want to smash your tele with your keyboard -

"xxx was arrested by breaching his visa. He was released and told to report weekly while his travel back to his home country was arranged. He was never seen again"

And I don't quite understand why we've got so many asylum seekers, especially those that have hopped over from France. They're supposed to go to the first safe country. There are dozens of safe countries they pass through before reaching the UK.

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Spot on. This is what gets me angry too.
 
Around 50% of the asian and arab descent people (male) I know have told me they want sharia in full force here, very nice and normal people with middle of the road views, until you mention sharia and they go all hardline like you are insulting the whole muslim religion because you say that sharia as a whole law system with capital punishment is a bad idea.

Why when anyone mentions anything bad about anything that is promoted as a muslim idea or ideal, from suicide bombers and forcing conversion to islam by violence to sharia in its harshest forms do all the people come out of the woodwork saying its anti muslim?.

Its not anti muslim, saying its anti muslim or islamophobic is like saying being against the IRA is anti catholic etc the list could go on forever.

The rejection of a bad idea or ideal whoever promotes it, whatever religion, is a rejection of the idea or ideal not an attack on the religion, too many people need to learn there is a difference.
 
Spie said:
Would you care if the UK became subject to Sharia Law?
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Aside from the daily mail reports the chances of that happening are virtually nil. The government aren't that stupid.

I don't mind immigrants, some of my good freinds are immigrants, hard workers, good people, good community spirit (more than you could say for a lot of british people).

Theres probably more bad english people than bad immigrants, look at all the chavs.

My point is, I don't treat them any differently to an english person, if they're working and are generally respectful all is well, if not then well, same thing either way, go and get a job you lazy ****s.
 
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Hitman_Leon said:
Around 50% of the asian and arab descent people (male) I know have told me they want sharia in full force here, very nice and normal people with middle of the road views, until you mention sharia and they go all hardline like you are insulting the whole muslim religion because you say that sharia as a whole law system with capital punishment is a bad idea.

Why when anyone mentions anything bad about anything that is promoted as a muslim idea or ideal, from suicide bombers and forcing conversion to islam by violence to sharia in its harshest forms do all the people come out of the woodwork saying its anti muslim?.

Its not anti muslim, saying its anti muslim or islamophobic is like saying being against the IRA is anti catholic etc the list could go on forever.

The rejection of a bad idea or ideal whoever promotes it, whatever religion, is a rejection of the idea or ideal not an attack on the religion, too many people need to learn there is a difference.
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To counter your anecdote, none of the muslim people I know have any desire to bring sharia here, in fact they are against it...

On a more relevant note, what percentage of the population wants some form of base level change in the law, shall we look?

40% of muslims want some form of sharia law in some part of the uk.

54% of the population want the death penalty to return.

98% of people want to be able to dictate to women what they can wear through the law.

There are a great many people who want changes in this country, and also a great many who think the changes they want would be negative. This is one of the main reasons why laws should not be made based on public opinion but on solid evidence...
 
What was the point in provoking this splendidly pointless argument at half nine in the morning?

I'm tempted to bite......but I won't.

Troll.
 
territt said:
Surely law should be based on what the pubic want and feeel is riight for them?
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It's a difficult judgement to make, for the same reason that you don't let a child decide at the age of 4 he doesn't want to go to school; the public generally do not know what is best for them. Until such time that education standards are much are higher and public engagement in politics is almost constant, it's a very big risk to let a democracy do as it pleases.
 
territt said:
Surely law should be based on what the pubic want and feeel is riight for them?
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Argumentum ad populum (appeal to the majority) is considered a fallacy in any serious debate. No debate can be more serious than lawmaking. What people think should be irrelevant, because many people base their beliefs on nothing relevant at all.
 
Spie said:
Would you care if the UK became subject to Sharia Law?
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It's amusing that you've asked this.

If anyone else dared to, it would've caused the OcUK :rolleye: brigade to come riding in and drown any discent is a sea of :rolleyes:s
 
I would rather have Mr Patel cleaning my teeth/fixing my broken arm, bring a little culture to our country than Mr and Mrs Smith and their five kids who terrorise the neighbourhood and earn more than myself collecting benefits, watching Jeremy Kyle reruns all day. I am not saying let them all in, obv there should be some gauge of skill and contribution they can bring, but if its a measure of what some of our 'working class' families possess then we are all in trouble.

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Anybody can come here if their intentions are good. Who cares about imaginary lines or where your parents conceived/gave birth to us? Nobody can control their birthplace, everybody should be able to move where they wish though when they're old enough. I'd much prefer to replace the dole chav scum in this country with honest people from abroad. Anybody who wants the best for this country would agree.
 
Spie said:
There's a difference between immigration and colonization.
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What kind of colonisation are you referring to and to what extent?

There is nothing wrong with ethnic minorities living in close abundance. It's perfectly normal to want be amongst people who are in similar circumstances to yourself. If they chose to stick to their own cultures in these locations, I don't have a problem with that either, freedom is a beautiful thing.

The only problems that I can foresee are when such groups:

a) Refusing to adhere to our laws, to which there is already punishment via court.
b) Not being as considerate towards my own culture as I am to theirs by way of claiming some sort of right that does not exist outside of their countries of origin.

The adaptation of sharia law is never going to happen. Fundamental rights in this country have developed to a point of no return where the adoption of another system entirely with different values is not possible (and yes Dolph, feel free to insert your own anti-labour comments here).
 
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