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ATi OWNED Nvidia Beats Em Even Without Fermi

It's not just supply issues and anticipation of Fermi that's held back sales of ATI's 5000 series, it's simply that most people don't need to upgrade.

We're at a point where the last generation of cards will still run pretty much anything at 1920x1200 with all the eye candy on, so what's the point in upgrading.

I've been using a 5850 and a GTX275 recently in the same machine. The former is significantly faster than the latter in the benchmarks but, in reality, I can't really tell the difference when I'm playing a game. Once you get above a certain threshold, you don't really need any more speed.
 
Rroff said:
It is suprising but as you say a number of reliable sources appear to backup the numbers... it will be interesting to see over the next few months what happens as 200 series stock dwindles to nothing.
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Nvidia still has it's low end GT200 line keeping up it's market share but I doubt they make much money on it as low end components tend to have little margin and their still seems to be a steady supply of GTX260 hitting the market (or it could be old GTX260's that haven't sold since the HD5000 line has launched). Even still though you look at the number and whilst it's surprising AMD hasn't made up that much ground Nvidia have lost a fair amount (30% to 24% or a 20% drop).
 
All those who are finding this hard to believe - despite the numbers apparently backing up this guy's report- need to take a step back from the situation.

These forums may be a community of hardware enthusiasts (or at least people who take a little initiative into researching their purchases) but it can't be taken as an accurate sample for the computer buying public as a whole.

Yes, in the last 2-3 months I'd find it incredibly hard to believe that nvidia outsold ATI with forums members, but we're a tiny fraction of the total picture here, not a representative sample of the market.

It's also a commonly held view that the majority of sales come from the low-mid end, well ATI have only just launched their lower end parts, whereas nvidia released their dx10.1 low end parts some time ago.

Oh and finally, to those saying this guy is nvidias charlie and such like, you're wrong. Yes the article is showing that things aren't all doom and gloom for nvidia, that doesn't mean he's an anti ATI fanboiiii from hell. Look at the language he uses. AMD's rep is a spokesman, whereas nvidia's is a spinner. The 5000 series of cards are called almighty, the 200s are called old tat. Hardly pro nvidia.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Nvidia still has it's low end GT200 line keeping up it's market share but I doubt they make much money on it as low end components tend to have little margin and their still seems to be a steady supply of GTX260 hitting the market (or it could be old GTX260's that haven't sold since the HD5000 line has launched). Even still though you look at the number and whilst it's surprising AMD hasn't made up that much ground Nvidia have lost a fair amount (30% to 24% or a 20% drop).
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The new low end 200 series GT240, etc. must actually be being sold at a massive loss by nVidia - as the whole development process was for the next gen 40nm 200 series part which never panned out and these cards are just the scraps.

Seems to still be a steady trickle of 260 cards coming from somewhere... gigabyte keep pulling high quality cores out of somewhere - they ain't just left over scraps - OcUK alone must have sold quite a few of the SoC model in the last month or 2 - I'd hazard the number was getting on for 200.
 
Geckovich said:
The 5000 series of cards are called almighty, the 200s are called old tat. Hardly pro nvidia.
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You can't be that naive can you? he's being sarcastic, making out that crap can even beat ATI hardware, biased 100%

Duran said:
never seen so many people in denial in one thread. this forum has no sense of reality
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Well known NV fanboy above-ignore.
 
Nvidia have always been the bigger player in the market after swallowing 3dfx (if you exclude Intel's IGPs that is). ATI were the underdog that slowly gained popularity during the Radeon 9x era. Not sure why this is so surprising?
 
Everyone seems to be missing the main point here too, distracted by fashionable hate and a provocative title.

ATI are up 40% over this time last year, amazing considering they lost market share. Those smaller, easily down sized core designs are paying off.
 
The report is probably accurate, but also rather irrelevant. Selling lots of cards isn't much use if you're not making money from them, which is the position NVidia is in. ATI's revenue went up 40% last quarter because their sales are now heavily weighted toward the high-end and mid-level market. NVidia is having to scrape a living with low end desktop parts and (if rumours are correct) massively discounted mobile parts.

Lots of volume in those markets? Yes. Lots of profit? No.
 
Their mid-range cards are still selling well - which is their main money earner anyhow - tho that market is contracting. Low end desktop is a loss to nVidia atm.
 
Looking at some benchmarks, I can see why the 250 GTS is selling.

It places between the 4850 / 4870 for a lower price.

Whether or not they're making much profit on them, I don't know.
 
Rroff said:
By silly and pointless you mean its not positive ATI news?
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To be honest, it's not really news, it only takes a little bit of common sense to get what the situation is like.

I don't think anyone is under the illusion that ATi are outselling nVidia across the board, you know, considering nVidia's larger marketshare and all.

They've basically looked at figures and thought they could spin some sad excuse for journalism around it.

"uhh, uhh, Intel have a larger marketshare than AMD! THEY'RE DEMOLISHING THEM SO BADLY, THEY'RE GOING TO SOON COLLAPSE AS NO ONE WANTS ANYTHING AMD BASED." :rolleyes:

Plus, anyone who says the "credit crunch" when they mean recession shouldn't be listened to, they obviously don't know what they're on about.
 
Can people stop quoting the steam hardware survey i havn't taken the damn thing in months and neither has anyone else i know and we all own 5 series cards now so it is hardly conclusive. I don't doubt nvidia probably have outsold ati but at what cost they are keeping market share by burning money and that cannot continue much longer.

Fermi has to be a success for nvidia for a whole raft of reasons and that's where the problem is because a lot of people are becoming less and less convinced by fermi as time goes by. We need comeptition and we need it badly but i am not so sure there will be any real competition for a few months yet and not enough to cause a drop in prices on ati's side as i honestly cannot see fermi competing on price.

This was a biased article and you have to be pretty deluded to think it wasn't but do we really care i know i don't i have my 5 series and so far it's the best gfx card i have owned that's including all the nvidia cards and the couple of ati one's over the years.
 
kylew said:
I don't think anyone is under the illusion that ATi are outselling nVidia across the board, you know, considering nVidia's larger marketshare and all.
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Its not how big the market share is thats the "issue" its the fact that nVidia have managed market share growth when by all indications they should have gone into decline and ATI have seen their market share (but not profits which have gone up) decline despite all indications that they should have taken a siginificant market share increase.

RizlaKing said:
Can people stop quoting the steam hardware survey
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Its the easiest source for people to check against - other figures need a developer login, interpretation of raw data or access to non-published results.

RizlaKing said:
This was a biased article and you have to be pretty deluded to think it wasn't but do we really care i know i don't i have my 5 series and so far it's the best gfx card i have owned that's including all the nvidia cards and the couple of ati one's over the years.
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Doesn't matter if the article is bias or not - the story is based on information thats possible to check - even if it puts a spin on the story it doesn't change the key details.
 
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