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Yeah, but since your response Dolph edited his post with more examples, one very damning.
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Come the revolution, I'll be at the front waving my colour 
Did anyone see a show on TV, not sure of the channel, "Muslim Driving School". It had a few incompetant women trying to learn how to drive as usual, but there was only about 10 minutes of driving in it, the other 20 minutes was a bio-pic on their background of forced marriage, another's mother coming to visit + decorating the house...etc etc.
Anyway, my point, the title: Would a show have been commissioned with a title of "Christian Driving School"? I think not. Too many muslims to be offended. Next there will be Halal Ready Steady Cook.
Just to be clear, not raving at muslims, I couldn't care what someone believes: to me it's all fairy tales. But I still respect what they choose to believe and in which they hold value. What I'm raving at is the PC crew's reaction and iniative to Muslims, who have never really been offended by anything they have been made out to have been offended by!
Did anyone see a show on TV, not sure of the channel, "Muslim Driving School". It had a few incompetant women trying to learn how to drive as usual, but there was only about 10 minutes of driving in it, the other 20 minutes was a bio-pic on their background of forced marriage, another's mother coming to visit + decorating the house...etc etc.
Anyway, my point, the title: Would a show have been commissioned with a title of "Christian Driving School"? I think not. Too many muslims to be offended. Next there will be Halal Ready Steady Cook.
Just to be clear, not raving at muslims, I couldn't care what someone believes: to me it's all fairy tales. But I still respect what they choose to believe and in which they hold value. What I'm raving at is the PC crew's reaction and iniative to Muslims, who have never really been offended by anything they have been made out to have been offended by!
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The first thread was about riots caused by the EDF and the ANL.
The second was about the BNP needing to change it's membership policy due to it being illegal.
The third was about how white people would be a minority.
I think the context is clear enough, especially with the last one, as to your motivations.
Ok then what assertion did I make which is wrong based on your above reasoning ? My two main points where put simply
1. Why is there no of the Muslims who dont believe in the radical extremist views of the terroists not standing up and declaring what they believe in is wrong.
2. When people come to this country they should accept our way of life and rules, but I also said that they should not have to forsake there religion.
The assertions you are referring to are merely examples of the given points I have made.
The same reason that most people don't stand up and declare everyone who does something they don't believe in to be wrong.
Do I have to stand up and declare that I don't share the beliefs of David Copeland because we share skin colour? Do christians have to stand up to declare they don't follow Blair/Bush into war?
This is the fallacy of false analogy, because you are comparing one set of circumstances to another incorrectly. You imply that Muslims have to do something, which in turn implies that other groups do, when they do not.
There isn't too much problem with this one, apart from a fundamental part of our way of life is acceptance of practices that we may not practice ourselves...
Yet again Dolph shows DD as an out and out racist and xenophobe...ive seen his posts on Stormfront forums along with another place and some of the language/abuse that he spouts off is quite frankly shocking...i liken him to the thugs that the BNP etc have within their ranks.
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Quoted for good measure...now that i find extremely offensive...what i would like to know is why wouldnt you respect a white womans decision to have a non white child??....
And if that child subsequently grew up and had a child with a white man, would that child be of the white race, considering they are 'predominately of European descent'?..
Answers on a postcard please.
Oh jesus...not that old chestnut again??...there are plenty of muslims that have stood up and denounced the terrorists and what they are trying to achieve but heres a newsflash for you...those types of muslims dont sell papers nor do they increase the media's viewer figures...thats why you dont hear much about them but if you looked hard enough you will find plenty of instances of muslims denouncing the terrorists.
Ask anyone in here, im muslim and ive always voiced my opinion that what these terrorists are doing or have done is completely and utterly against the tenets of Islam...im sure if you look back on my posting history you will find countless ocassions where i have done.
If I was to lose my job and have to claim unemployment benifit I would do so in the knowledge that my parents and their parents and many generations before that have been paying taxes in this country for centuries and so I would feel entitiled to receive it, the same cannot be said for someone new entering this country and holding their hand out.
Second point I do agree there is a certain degree of hypocrisy involved. As well as all the human rights which are now in operation. However there are some fundamental aspects of any country which should govern all the people. Obviously an example is the law, English law ( obviously ECHR law also ) should be applicable to every individual residing within the UK. Seperate laws for everyone is merely forcing us all apart as a nation. Its not uniting its actually making things worse and this is many peoples arguments towards a UK Bill of Rights.
I dont think I can communicate the first point correctly into words but Ill try to with an example here. Again you have to be careful with this point as one mans terroist is another mans freedom fighter. The general consensus by many Muslims living within the UK is obviously that what the terroist groups are doing is wrong. The difficulty is there beliefs are not been scrutinised by those who share similar beliefs i.e the same religion. The extremist have taken there religion and interpreted it in a different way.
Lets say for example the BNP become a terroist group ( if they arent allready
) and begin murdering people using similar guerilla tactics used by the Muslim terrorists. Again this is sweeping statement ,as its late and I cant really be bothered to find hard evidence for a point on a forum, but I do believe that our government would deem the behaviour of the BNP utterly wrong. They would fight alongside whichever country was the victim to bring the BNP to justice. Again you could counter this with the fact that some Muslims are doing just that and been trained by the US and UK's army.I dont doubt that there are, im not saying everyone isnt my point was I think it would prevent a lot of hostility if the UK public witnessed such actions on a larger scale. Im not going to be narrow minded as to presume anything which I havent seen done has not occured. Why do people all ways jump the gun and assume your attempting to " take a punch " at someone or something
.Edit = sorry for the two posts just realised. ( late tired etc. )
Surely though there has to be a line drawn somewhere here. Spie did not create the thread it was a reply, surely people who work here are just as entitled to an opinion on a matter as everyone else. Its a relativly weak argument to take your buisness elsewhere when you could go to any retail shop and be served by an employee with a racist mindset. Though I do asknowledge your point that moderators, admins etc should perhaps be careful what they type on matters such as this just to avoid said controversy.
I dont doubt that there are, im not saying everyone isnt my point was I think it would prevent a lot of hostility if the UK public witnessed such actions on a larger scale. Im not going to be narrow minded as to presume anything which I havent seen done has not occured. Why do people all ways jump the gun and assume your attempting to " take a punch " at someone or something
Edit = sorry for the two posts just realised. ( late tired etc. )
because even if we did come out and say 'were against extremism' would anybody give a monkeys?!
some nutcase will just come out and say 'death to freedom' 'we want sharia law' and people will just assume all muslims are like this and then the cycle just starts all over again. 'oh noezzzz muszlims are taking ova!??!?!'
its funny how these immigrations threads always turn to muslims and islam. it happens to every single thread
People do this all the time. Don't agree with the ethics of a company or how they produces goods is enough to stop people from shopping there.
Yeh that is true im just playing devils advocate a little, I can totally see why someone may take offence to some of the things said.
because even if we did come out and say 'were against extremism' would anybody give a monkeys?!
some nutcase will just come out and say 'death to freedom' 'we want sharia law' and people will just assume all muslims are like this and then the cycle just starts all over again. 'oh noezzzz muszlims are taking ova!??!?!'
its funny how these immigrations threads always turn to muslims and islam. it happens to every single thread
Cant argue with the point that its a nasty rotation, at the end of the day people will allways thrive more on the negatives then the good as well. What do I think it would do? Hopefully it might change some of the peoples minds who are turning to right wing groups, which is clearly not the answer. Again your correct the thread has been steered towards Muslims and ill admit my original points where made in that context. But my points apply to any race or religion and if i moved to another country I would have course respect there rules.
Again I mentioned it in my very first post but im not meaning this to come across as right wing, racist or offending. I have friends at Uni of a complete mixed background who have debates on everything and this was one of them not so long back. The sad truth is hatred breeds hatred, its a nasty circle that will never be broken
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