Has The F22 Met Its Match ?

meghatronic · 29 Jan 2010 at 22:55

hux said:
As for the f35 the us have the full on version with all the tech us in the uk get the next model down, can't remember but it's one less item on it as the us want to maintain superiority just in case.

Lmao.

hux · 29 Jan 2010 at 22:58

Lmao?

How so it's true least afaik it is, bae worked on the f35 with the usa but weren't allowed to work on sensitive areas.

If im that far out of touch then please educate me.

meghatronic · 29 Jan 2010 at 23:13

hux said:
Lmao?

How so it's true least afaik it is, bae worked on the f35 with the usa but weren't allowed to work on sensitive areas.

If im that far out of touch then please educate me.

It was to do with software - and a serious problem we had.

However:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1278309720061212 and http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7de7925a-ecf3-11da-a307-0000779e2340.html?nclick_check=1

Unless otherwise.

It's a collaborative project - you can't keep people out like that - especially if they've designed parts. It's not like we're buying a plane - it's a joint effort.

Personally I think it's ridiculous that people share tech.

hux · 29 Jan 2010 at 23:26

Oh so i assume you have some sort of link with the industry, i like to keep my ear to the ground mostly as i like the gossip and in house bickering, nice to see i was right though.

Serious software problem now why doesn't that surprise me i think they had a similar problem with the apache too advanced for it's own good, all sorted now but an engineer i know hates the things.

Personally the us should just build the things themselves then sell it on not force problems onto other people like that i know the f35 has been riddled with problems hence it's very lengthy delay, im sure it's a running joke in the industry.

As for sharing tech if they're close i can't see a problem with it, any other country besides that then fair enough.

meghatronic · 29 Jan 2010 at 23:49

hux said:
Serious software problem now why doesn't that surprise me i think they had a similar problem with the apache too advanced for it's own good, all sorted now but an engineer i know hates the things.

Serious problem was they wouldn't give us the source code or any way to maintain our own systems!

AMG · 29 Jan 2010 at 23:52

that looks like the F35 or YF more like

just noticed that

hux · 30 Jan 2010 at 00:11

meghatronic said:
Serious problem was they wouldn't give us the source code or any way to maintain our own systems!

Yeah so i read, it's all a sad state of affairs putting us in a dangerous situation like that.

meghatronic · 30 Jan 2010 at 00:54

hux said:
Yeah so i read, it's all a sad state of affairs putting us in a dangerous situation like that.

Yanks ---> don't trust them.

James J · 30 Jan 2010 at 03:11

Over Clocker said:
Hasn't it pretty much been proved that the Eurofighter Typhoon is more manoeuvrable and generally better than the F22 anyway?

Yeah that is the case, the F22 however has weaponry which can track and destroy targets over the horizon and well out of range of other fighter jets, making those points abit useless unless it was in a good "old fashioned" dog fight where the planes can actually see each other lol

meghatronic · 30 Jan 2010 at 03:36

James J said:
Yeah that is the case, the F22 however has weaponry which can track and destroy targets over the horizon and well out of range of other fighter jets, making those points abit useless unless it was in a good "old fashioned" dog fight where the planes can actually see each other lol

Just have a Type 45 around. Easy.

Biohazard · 30 Jan 2010 at 03:38

Mr. Anderson said:
Still don't know why nato and russia haven't joined forces and just create an united military. Offer any other country to join, and then once the whole world has joined we can just create starfleet.

and do what, zap lasers on the moon?

Sharpsilver · 30 Jan 2010 at 11:14

meghatronic said:
Just have a Type 45 around. Easy.

+1.

Housey · 30 Jan 2010 at 11:34

meghatronic said:
Yanks ---> don't trust them.

Indeed, allies my arse!

meghatronic · 30 Jan 2010 at 13:15

Housey said:
Indeed, allies my arse!

I as being facetious, but the more I think about it, the more I think it is true.

The Funktopus · 30 Jan 2010 at 13:47

James J said:
Yeah that is the case, the F22 however has weaponry which can track and destroy targets over the horizon and well out of range of other fighter jets, making those points abit useless unless it was in a good "old fashioned" dog fight where the planes can actually see each other lol

No, it doesn't. The F-22's primary air-to-air weapon is the AIM-120 AMRAAM that's been around since the early-mid 90's. The Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and SAAB Gripen are due to recieve the MBDA Meteor, which uses a SCRAMJET (Supersonic Combustion Ram-Jet) for propulsion, which provides sustained power and gives the missile the ability to cruise to it's target at a constant Mach 4.5, giving it a substantial range and kinematic advantage over previous missiles like the AIM-120, which are propelled by traditional rocket motors that provide thrust for the first few seconds before expending their fuel, leaving the weapon to coast to the target on it's intial momentum, meaning the missile loses range against a manoeuvring target, and manoeuvrability against a target at the edge of it's engagement envelope.

GreenMint · 30 Jan 2010 at 15:04

As great as it is, and as great as it looks, nothing would ever come close to looking better than the Mig-29

and especially the SU-27

SiriusB · 30 Jan 2010 at 15:34

hux said:
The typhoon is indeed an all out dogfighter, can't wait for the trenche 3 version that gets the same radar as the jsf/f22 and the thrust vector engines now that will be fun, bugger for the poor pilot to fly mind.

Don't the Typhoon's systems do most of the flying anyway, since no pilot could handle all the myriad systems that makes the Typhoon as manouverable as it is?

With new vector thrust surely the jet's systems will take a role in helping the pilots with that too?

Nate--IRL-- · 30 Jan 2010 at 16:05

SiriusB said:
Don't the Typhoon's systems do most of the flying anyway, since no pilot could handle all the myriad systems that makes the Typhoon as manouverable as it is?

With new vector thrust surely the jet's systems will take a role in helping the pilots with that too?

Not really, if the systems didn't fly the plane it would turn itself inside out. As a plane the Typhoon can't fly. It is the computers keeping it in the air, adjusting the control surfaces hundreds of times a second to keep it in line.

Nate

EdGey · 30 Jan 2010 at 16:21

It met its match with the Typhoon.

mollymoo · 30 Jan 2010 at 16:36

Nate--IRL-- said:
Not really, if the systems didn't fly the plane it would turn itself inside out. As a plane the Typhoon can't fly. It is the computers keeping it in the air, adjusting the control surfaces hundreds of times a second to keep it in line.

Nate

Starting a statement with not really then stating the poster is right is a faux pas if ever I saw one.