California votes to legalise Marijuana FOR EVERYONE!

[Cr0fty]

I don't see the point to the massive debate on whether cannabis causes mental health issues *Well, I do... However*.

For me, it is about the personal freedom to smoke a spliff if I want a spliff. I'd rather sit around and have a chill with my friends than get steam-o-jack and end up with someone trying to start on me because I looked at him in the wrong way.

We all know that the real issue is the untaxability of a plant...

*flameproofs*

 

[silversurfer]

A drug is a drug, so long as its not over done but people will over do it. If passed its quite likely to get repealed unless it raises a lot of tax for them maybe as they need that more right now

http://www.puppiesandflowers.com/blogimages/09/04/stateMarijuanaTaxStamps.jpg

 

[kwerk]

At the end of the day, "Smoking Kills". Marijuana or Cigarettes.. Both will eventually kill you.

I think most people on medical marijuana use a vaporizer or just eat it.

 

[jakeke]

I like to smoke but I'm not convinced making it legal is the best idea right now.

However, what I don't agree with is the difference in classifications between Alcohol and cannabis, when under the influence the effects are very similar and if I had to pick the safer of the two it wouldn't be alcohol. I've seen alcohol turn people into huge idiots (very regularly) but never seen anybody be an agressive arse when high

 

[weescott]

We already know the effects of alcohol and tobacco. So making Marijuana legal with it's debatable side effects makes perfect sense. Is it worse than tobacco? Probably not. Everything in moderation is ok whether it be Alcohol, tobacco, drugs, broccoli, or Marijuana.

 

[Tefal]

most doctors well tell you that they beleive there is a connection from their observations but they can't prove it conclusively,

unless you can back that up.

I will retort with a simple.


most doctors well tell you that they believe there is not a connection from their observations but they can't prove it conclusively.

 

[kwerk]

I think in 10-20 years it will be legal in most states. Especially as more states have budget problems they will need to cut back on policing and prison spending. You'd be surprised how many conservatives think it should be legal or just don't care either way.

Hopefully the map will go like this (animated) concealed carry one

 

[ChrisJSY]

Let them if they want I say.
I know a lot of people who smoke it and they are fine.

In fact in my personal witnessing/experience drink is a hell of a lot worse/problematic and in my life has caused fatal events to occur.

But still, if someone wants to drink themselves stupid every night it's their choice.

 

[gurusan]

Cali has some of the best pot in the world. About time it's legal! People are sick of paying the small medical license fee for their "chronic" snowboarding pains and such.

 

[XeNoN89]

The only person i have known to be slightly changed by weed is one person who smokes it contantly all day every day, and i think its mainly because he is actually always high. Everybody else who only smoked some every now and then are perfectly normal and fine.

 

[A2Z]

The only person i have known to be slightly changed by weed is one person who smokes it contantly all day every day, and i think its mainly because he is actually always high. Everybody else who only smoked some every now and then are perfectly normal and fine.

I second that!

If this is true and it really happens, then its great news, I shall deffo be making a trip to cali.

Was in Amsterdam a few weeks ago and its great fun when its legal

 

[Energize]

Do people really spend thousands on a trip to America just to take some drugs?

 

[Things change I've changed]

unless you can back that up.

I will retort with a simple.


most doctors well tell you that they believe there is not a connection from their observations but they can't prove it conclusively.

But you've just made that up though, If that was a true experience then if would be a different matter.

Now what I want to get to is the following,

Person (1) "In my experience I have not seen any negative effects with the use of cannabis"

Person (2) "I have seen first hand on a number of occasions where cannabis has effected people negatively"

Now assume that these are normal respectable people that are telling the truth in regards to their experiences, now person 2 has observed something person (1) hasn't, these experiences don't equal each other in terms of proving a point, both experiences are valid of course, but one has experience of something the other person hasn't, which of course makes sense becuase not everyone is going to be effected by cannabis negatively, now if person 2 is telling the truth then their experiences at least carries more weight into the debate becuase they have new observations to enter into the equation that need to be addressed, the question is though can person 2 prove the connection between cannabis and mental health disorders scientifically, that's the hard part.

We're not talking about the existence of God here, the connection between cannabis and Mental health issues isn't a faith or religion that has been the foundation of many cultures for thousands of years, this is something relatively new, more and more 'normal' people, doctors, psychiatric nurses etc are starting to see a connection between the two, but it's not something that can be easily proved atm.

Hell we can't even prove conclusively that people are born gay yet, but then I assume many people on here think people choose to be gayers or it was a product of their upbringing that can be reversed by the local priest or shrink.

 

[Tefal]

But you've just made that up though, If that was a true experience then if would be a different matter.

So what you're saying is you have met and asked "most doctors"?

If not then you have just made something up as well.

 

[Biohazard]

But you've just made that up though, If that was a true experience then if would be a different matter.

Now what I want to get to is the following,

Person (1) "In my experience I have not seen any negative effects with the use of cannabis"

Person (2) "I have seen first hand on a number of occasions where cannabis has effected people negatively"

Now assume that these are normal respectable people that are telling the truth in regards to their experiences, now person 2 has observed something person (1) hasn't, these experiences don't equal each other in terms of proving a point, both experiences are valid of course, but one has experience of something the other person hasn't, which of course makes sense becuase not everyone is going to be effected by cannabis negatively, now if person 2 is telling the truth then their experiences at least carries more weight into the debate becuase they have new observations to enter into the equation that need to be addressed, the question is though can person 2 prove the connection between cannabis and mental health disorders scientifically, that's the hard part.

We're not talking about the existence of God here, the connection between cannabis and Mental health issues isn't a faith or religion that has been the foundation of many cultures for thousands of years, this is something relatively new, more and more 'normal' people, doctors, psychiatric nurses etc are starting to see a connection between the two, but it's not something that can be easily proved atm.

Hell we can't even prove conclusively that people are born gay yet, but then I assume many people on here think people choose to be gayers or it was a product of their upbringing that can be reversed by the local priest or shrink.

So you are the god of truth on the subject and you know better? What if your opinion of what experience is greater than the other is skewed?

I don't even care, but how do you know anymore about doctors than he does? Why should we listen to eitehr about it?

Really, go away and try again.

This should have ended pages ago.

 

[Things change I've changed]

So what you're saying is you have met and asked "most doctors"?

If not then you have just made something up as well.

Yes I have, on a number of occasions, becuase of my friends that got effected by it, I myself partially It set me off looking for answers about a decade ago, I've even been on debates on BBC Radio Cornwall a couple of times in regards to this very topic.

 

[Dolph]

It appears someone needs to learn that the plural of anecdote is not data...

 

[Biohazard]

Yes I have, on a number of occasions, becuase of my friends that got effected by it, I myself partially It set me off looking for answers about a decade ago, I've even been on debates on BBC Radio Cornwall a couple of times in regards to this very topic.

I'm sure you were very medically informed and totally unbiased in those debates too.



I've met more doctors than you. How does that make you feel?

 

[Tefal]

Yes I have, on a number of occasions

Really so with there being some 100-150 thousand doctors.

You've asked well over 60 thousand of them have you?

or at the very least a decent sample, say 200 +?

 

[Things change I've changed]

It appears someone needs to learn that the plural of anecdote is not data...

Scientific 'data' is usually collected in the first place because of the anecdotal evidence that is brought to our attention, it can't just be disregarded when it's often part of the scientific process.