the sun and its reporting

[ShakenNstirred]

anyone else sick of reading made up news story's
the latest is the gun one here
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...oungsters-bewitched-by-evil-gang-culture.html

you can see in the picture that the gun doesn't look real
there are no chambers where the bullet would come out in to the barrel
as in the pic below

 

[Gaidin109]

Whether it is a real .38 is undisernable from the photo, just because it doesnt have exposed chambers doesnt mean its not real. Some revolvers have this kind of design, where the exposed cylinder is covered. I would expect it was deactivated looking at it.

 

[Tefal]

hen somone's waving it around and yelling "give me the money" are you really going to notice the difference?

 

[arknor]

its probably a ciggy lighter

 

[Hotwired]

Would appear to be missing some cylinders and no there doesn't seem to be something covering the cylinders not lined up with the barrel.

Just an absence of cylinders :/

But includes some massive external grooves to make up for it...


Could be a single shot non-revolver which looks like one. Dam sight easier to make than an actual revolver.

 

[Rroff]

You have a point there... lot of guns that are available in the UK are reactivated... it might originally have been a revolver but just single shot now.

 

[semi-pro waster]

If it's not real (and there's a good chance it isn't) then it's for illustrative purposes. While I'm no big fan of The Sun I don't see what's wrong with that particularly except that it suggests they don't think their readership is capable of getting the idea without graphical illustration through lots of pictures but if that's the statement the Paper wishes to make then that's their choice.

//edit I suppose I should say that this apparent view of the consumer as someone incapable of extracting the correct information and drawing their own conclusions isn't specific to The Sun.

 

[Meridian]

It has to be said that it looks a lot like a starting pistol I had many years ago.



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[ElvisFan]

It had to be a fake for illustrative purposes because the sun would have had to report a real one to the police. That reporter would have had his collar felt for sure.

 

[ShakenNstirred]

It had to be a fake for illustrative purposes because the sun would have had to report a real one to the police. That reporter would have had his collar felt for sure.

no they wouldn't have had too
so reporters are now providing props for pictures are they?
may as well make up the story's too then i guess

 

[Gaidin109]

Would appear to be missing some cylinders and no there doesn't seem to be something covering the cylinders not lined up with the barrel.

Just an absence of cylinders :/

But includes some massive external grooves to make up for it...


Could be a single shot non-revolver which looks like one. Dam sight easier to make than an actual revolver.

The cylinder is plain to see. The cover of the individual chambers is part if the gun body, not the cylinder itself. It looks to be a fixed cylinder, not a swing one. Some revolvers come with
completely enclosed cylinders. Recessed chambers are common in reactivated revolvers using a different cylinder from the original calibre one.

Either way, real or not, the fact is gun crime is a growing problem, only last week two shootings in Swindon a town near me. This is what the Sun is reporting, not whether the picture features a Gun or a starting pistol.

 

[Nitefly]

no they wouldn't have had too
so reporters are now providing props for pictures are they?
may as well make up the story's too then i guess

Being in possession of a firearm is a strict liability offence. It doesn't matter how or why you got it, if you have it you are breaking the law - evidence of possession could quite easily result in prosecution.

 

[Hotwired]

The cylinder is plain to see. The cover of the individual chambers is part if the gun body, not the cylinder itself. It looks to be a fixed cylinder, not a swing one. Some revolvers come with
completely enclosed cylinders. Recessed chambers are common in reactivated revolvers using a different cylinder from the original calibre one.

I used the wrong term. I meant there are no chambers. Everyone can see the cylinder.

I followed up a mentioned term and my suspicion is correct:

It's a starting gun which fires .22 blanks.


Aside from that I have no interest in the story being real or manufactured.

 

[Gaidin109]

I used the wrong term. I meant there are no chambers. Everyone can see the cylinder.

I followed up a mentioned term and my suspicion is correct:

It's a starting gun which fires .22 blanks.

It very well may be a Starting Pistol, but if you look closely at the Cylinder, there is a semi circular piece of metal attached to the gun-body itself covering the chamber,and not part of the cylinder itself. The problem is that the Photo is not clear enough to make such a judgement that it is not real.

I think we should be talking about the actual guncrime and not whether the photo was faked or not.

 

[Hotwired]

It very well may be a Starting Pistol, but if you look closely at the Cylinder, there is a semi circular piece of metal attached to the gun-body itself covering the chamber,and not part of the cylinder itself.

No, you think it's attached to the gun body, I posted the orange starting pistol which covers all characteristics of the "gun" because it isn't part of the body, it's part of the cylinder which rotates (or part of the swing arm mech that the cylinder is skewered by).

The problem is that the Photo is not clear enough to make such a judgement that it is not real.

It is deliberately like that. If you could read the words "Olympic 8" on the side of a ".38 revolver"... it would spoil things for the story. Yes it does actually say that. On the other side where the swing-out arm is. Which is the side they are showing in the Sun photo.


Guncrime discussions are the same old thing every time, faked photos are worth taking time to dissect.

 

[Gaidin109]

No, you think it's attached to the gun body, I posted the orange starting pistol which covers all characteristics of the "gun" because it isn't part of the body, it's part of the cylinder which rotates.

Or think it is not! You cannot tell from that photo that its part of the cylinder any more than I can tell its not.

Posting a picture of an orange starting pistol doesnt prove anything either way. Starting pistols come in all shapes and sizes too, the main difference is between a Revolver and a Starting pistol that fires blank rounds is the metal its made from. This is the reason you cannot convert a blank firing gun to fire real rounds.

It is deliberately like that. If you could read the words "Olympic 8" on the side of a ".38 revolver"... it would spoil things for the story. Yes it does actually say that. On the other side where the swing-out arm is. Which is the side they are showing in the Sun photo.

Its more likely to be an Olympic 6, how you can say it REALLY does say that without any proof is beyond me. Not all revolvers have swing-outs either.

Here are some blank-revolvers that show how realistic they can be, you cannot asertain from that photo whether it is real or not.


http://www.blank-guns-depot.com/blank-firing-guns-store/catalog/Blank-Revolvers-p-1-c-375.html

Guncrime discussions are the same old thing every time, faked photos are worth taking time to dissect.

If you have the tech and ability to dissect one scientifically to prove your supposition. Otherwise its just opinion.

I share your opinion that the gun is likely a replica, but to say it definitely is wrong.


The original picture you posted is carrying Blanks itself, you can tell by the faint cross section on the round tip.

The gun in the Sun picture could be a Nagant, a russian underpowered revolver, the rounds used do not protude past the mouth of the cartrige casing and are frequently mistaken for blank firing because of this.

 

[Hotwired]

Or think it is not! You cannot tell from that photo that its part of the cylinder any more than I can tell its not.

Posting a picture of an orange starting pistol doesnt prove anything either way. Starting pistols come in all shapes and sizes too, the main difference is between a Revolver and a Starting pistol that fires blank rounds is the metal its made from. This is the reason you cannot convert a blank firing gun to fire real rounds.

No, the reason that one is a starting pistol is because it is the one I posted but either painted or pre-VCR bill.

Its more likely to be an Olympic 6, how you can say it REALLY does say that without any proof is beyond me. Not all revolvers have swing-outs either.

You're right, it could be an Olympic 6, detail is a bit poor. You cant tell me it doesn't look like it could be an 8. Never seen it before in my life.

If you want I'll draw the arrows and circle the matching features between them which make me believe it is the same model of starting gun.

Here are some blank-revolvers that show how realistic they can be, you cannot asertain from that photo whether it is real or not.


http://www.blank-guns-depot.com/blank-firing-guns-store/catalog/Blank-Revolvers-p-1-c-375.html

No I cannot and I didn't say a word about them. Replicas can look as real as you want but all I have said is the sun photo is waving a starting gun about.

If you have the tech and ability to dissect one scientifically to prove your supposition. Otherwise its just opinion.

I share your opinion that the gun is likely a replica, but to say it definitely is wrong.

I'll concede that practically anything can be modified to include something that can fire a bullet. The mouse on my desk could include a zip gun. If posted here then a pile of people would tell me it was a microsoft basic optical. All they can see is what is visible.

What I can see from what is visible is the starting pistol I posted. It cannot be the .38 snub revolver the reporter claims they have.

The gun in the Sun picture could be a Nagant, a russian underpowered revolver, the rounds used do not protude past the mouth of the cartrige casing and are frequently mistaken for blank firing because of this.

And also has quite visible chambers when viewed from the front.

 

[Gaidin109]

No, the reason that one is a starting pistol is because it is the one I posted but either painted or pre-VCR bill.

You're right, it could be an Olympic 6, detail is a bit poor. You cant tell me it doesn't look like it could be an 8. Never seen it before in my life.

If you want I'll draw the arrows and circle the matching features between them which make me believe it is the same model of starting gun.

No I cannot and I didn't say a word about them. Replicas can look as real as you want but all I have said is the sun photo is waving a starting gun about.

I'll concede that practically anything can be modified to include something that can fire a bullet. The mouse on my desk could include a zip gun. If posted here then a pile of people would tell me it was a microsoft basic optical. All they can see is what is visible.

What I can see from what is visible is the starting pistol I posted. It cannot be the .38 snub revolver the reporter claims they have.

And also has quite visible chambers when viewed from the front.

Not that model of Nagant, some webleys also have concealed chambers, but anyway from experience I cannot say that the weapon in the picture is not capable of firing .38 rounds for definite. I was an ML2 Captain for 10 years.

The main problem with stubby revolvers is that they can be made from several components from different guns. Also while I agree that it does look remarkably like a starting pistol (which from that range could kill) you cannot judge it definitively so.

Other non stories, like dodgy celeb photos would have been more representative of the Sun's reporting techniques. In my opinion.

 

[Meridian]

Revolvers with hidden chambers almost always have a flared part of the frame covering the front of the chambers, not something inside the cylinder doing the job. For a start, you need to be able to remove the cylinder and clean the inside of the chambers with a cleaning tool - which pases right through them.


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[Rroff]

It deff. looks like the 2nd starter pistol linked to with the orange re-sprayed - can see the grove and contours of the black part in the middle of the gun.

Even if it is a starting pistol tho that doesn't mean its not been adjusted to fire proper rounds.